1 00:00:04,667 --> 00:00:11,167 [crowd chants "Razor"] 2 00:00:11,167 --> 00:00:12,958 - I'm poster boy for all the things you can do wrong 3 00:00:13,042 --> 00:00:14,583 in wrestling. 4 00:00:18,167 --> 00:00:20,375 The only thing really keeping me going for a lot of years was 5 00:00:20,458 --> 00:00:23,042 that feeling I got in front of an audience. 6 00:00:23,625 --> 00:00:25,958 That rush when I go through the crowd and, you know, 7 00:00:26,042 --> 00:00:27,583 getting to perform. 8 00:00:28,625 --> 00:00:30,000 I really felt a freedom. 9 00:00:30,125 --> 00:00:31,458 I became another character. 10 00:00:32,917 --> 00:00:35,583 Because Scott Hall may be having a lot of personal difficulties, 11 00:00:35,583 --> 00:00:38,208 but when Razor steps through that curtain, man, he ain't got 12 00:00:38,292 --> 00:00:40,458 no problems, his life is great. 13 00:00:40,542 --> 00:00:42,125 It's better than yours. 14 00:00:45,833 --> 00:00:49,708 - If you really want to call a guy who represented cool, 15 00:00:49,833 --> 00:00:52,833 Scott Hall was like James Dean. 16 00:00:52,917 --> 00:00:56,833 - Everybody, they want to be like me. 17 00:00:56,917 --> 00:00:58,333 - Here comes The Bad Guy. 18 00:00:58,375 --> 00:01:01,000 - This is the next big star of the '90s. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,833 - Taking that toothpick, only Scott could have 20 00:01:02,958 --> 00:01:04,667 made it a big deal. 21 00:01:05,875 --> 00:01:07,667 - He just oozes coolness. 22 00:01:08,333 --> 00:01:10,708 - All you people are here to see the- 23 00:01:10,792 --> 00:01:13,583 [crowd yells "nWo"] 24 00:01:14,250 --> 00:01:18,625 - Scott was the nucleus of us, the vibe of the nWo. 25 00:01:18,708 --> 00:01:20,042 - You can't teach cool. 26 00:01:21,208 --> 00:01:22,708 Scott was always a cool guy. 27 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:25,625 - 911, what's your emergency? 28 00:01:25,708 --> 00:01:29,042 - Extremely impaired drinking and, uh, attempting to possibly 29 00:01:29,125 --> 00:01:31,208 drink himself to death. 30 00:01:31,667 --> 00:01:34,083 - I felt like I had a lot of people fooled that I was this 31 00:01:34,167 --> 00:01:37,125 real nice guy, but really I'm not. 32 00:01:37,208 --> 00:01:38,750 You know, I've done some bad things that people 33 00:01:38,833 --> 00:01:39,958 don't know about. 34 00:01:40,042 --> 00:01:41,167 I'm not a- I'm a bad person. 35 00:01:41,292 --> 00:01:42,958 I don't deserve this, and it's all a sham, 36 00:01:42,958 --> 00:01:44,042 and they're gonna catch me. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,250 - Scott was just a haunted person. 38 00:01:47,375 --> 00:01:48,750 I was always concerned about Scott 39 00:01:49,958 --> 00:01:52,333 You could feel there's no way to help. 40 00:01:52,875 --> 00:01:55,458 - What do you do when they quit chanting your name? 41 00:01:57,083 --> 00:01:58,667 - What happened to Scott Hall? 42 00:01:58,792 --> 00:02:00,667 What happened to Razor Ramon? 43 00:02:00,708 --> 00:02:02,667 He's broken down. 44 00:02:03,208 --> 00:02:07,958 - Scott said, outside of that ring, my life's a mess. 45 00:02:08,042 --> 00:02:11,083 But in it- Can't nobody touch me. 46 00:02:24,083 --> 00:02:33,500 ♪ 47 00:02:33,542 --> 00:02:37,500 - Well, where we are is in, uh, St. Mary's County, Maryland. 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,250 My name's Steve Hall. 49 00:02:41,375 --> 00:02:44,250 I'm the youngest brother of Scott Hall. 50 00:02:45,792 --> 00:02:49,458 My parents met here and it's always had very, very special 51 00:02:49,542 --> 00:02:51,792 significance to our family. 52 00:02:53,958 --> 00:03:00,417 They had a play here and my mom and dad both had leading roles 53 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:02,375 and the play was done right here. 54 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:07,625 And, uh, so they had-- they had Scott in 1958. 55 00:03:12,042 --> 00:03:14,292 - Thank you. 56 00:03:14,375 --> 00:03:16,917 - Okay, I am speeding. 57 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:29,625 - I grew up an Army brat. 58 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:34,292 So the first 15 years of my life, we moved every year, 59 00:03:34,375 --> 00:03:37,458 and I can't tell you the order and what places we ended up. 60 00:03:38,833 --> 00:03:40,333 My dad was a big shot. 61 00:03:40,375 --> 00:03:44,208 He was a war hero and a pilot, and, uh, my mother was a model. 62 00:03:45,417 --> 00:03:52,792 - He was kinda shy, uh, and kind of quiet and big for his age. 63 00:03:53,708 --> 00:03:56,333 - I have two younger brothers, but they're significantly 64 00:03:56,417 --> 00:03:59,125 younger, like, you know, 8 years and 10 years. 65 00:03:59,208 --> 00:04:00,708 So I was an only child for a long time. 66 00:04:01,667 --> 00:04:03,625 My eighth birthday, my dad took me and 67 00:04:03,708 --> 00:04:06,375 some of my buddies to a wrestling show. 68 00:04:06,458 --> 00:04:08,417 At this point, even some of the other kids would go, 69 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,083 "You know this stuff's all fake, right?" 70 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:11,500 And I was going, "No, it's not, man." 71 00:04:11,583 --> 00:04:12,500 And- 72 00:04:12,625 --> 00:04:13,917 [laughs] 73 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,083 and we were watching and it ended up being a hair match. 74 00:04:16,167 --> 00:04:18,250 The-The loser gets his head shaved. 75 00:04:18,875 --> 00:04:21,958 And I remember-- I still have the program with the piece of 76 00:04:22,042 --> 00:04:24,917 the guy's scalp in it because they would shave the guy's head. 77 00:04:25,042 --> 00:04:26,583 At the end of the show, I was going to my buddies, 78 00:04:26,708 --> 00:04:28,667 "Would you let somebody shave your head man? 79 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:30,250 See? See?" 80 00:04:30,708 --> 00:04:31,792 I thought it was really cool. 81 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:33,750 It made an imprint on me that night. 82 00:04:34,625 --> 00:04:37,167 I remember thinking, "Wow, what a cool job. 83 00:04:37,750 --> 00:04:39,625 Like, what, these guys, this is what they do. 84 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:41,333 Like, my dad flies airplanes. 85 00:04:41,458 --> 00:04:44,500 These guys wrestle. 86 00:04:44,583 --> 00:04:47,458 Their life is like a movie." 87 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:50,625 I do remember like my dad telling me, 88 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:54,000 "Never join the service unless you're gonna be an officer." 89 00:04:54,083 --> 00:04:57,125 I remember being with my dad and dudes were like on the side of 90 00:04:57,208 --> 00:04:58,625 the road digging ditches. 91 00:04:58,708 --> 00:05:01,208 My dad would go, "Watch this," and he'd walk by and they'd all 92 00:05:01,208 --> 00:05:02,708 would jump up and go like this. 93 00:05:02,792 --> 00:05:04,167 He'd go-- He would elbow me, and go. 94 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:05,667 [laughs] 95 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:08,792 Like-- I mean, it felt like he knew it was a work. 96 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:12,625 Like everything is a work, I guess. 97 00:05:12,708 --> 00:05:14,500 It served me well in pro wrestling. 98 00:05:14,583 --> 00:05:18,083 I mean, but I wasn't very close to my dad. 99 00:05:18,542 --> 00:05:22,667 I grew up on a really super strict Army background. 100 00:05:24,208 --> 00:05:25,292 - He was an alcoholic. 101 00:05:26,542 --> 00:05:31,375 I mean, my dad went to AA meetings every day. 102 00:05:31,958 --> 00:05:34,042 - It kind of got so bad. 103 00:05:34,125 --> 00:05:37,500 I think it was ruining his career. 104 00:05:37,542 --> 00:05:40,792 I think he would have been a full Colonel for sure. 105 00:05:42,333 --> 00:05:44,083 - He was a provider and he was all these things, 106 00:05:44,083 --> 00:05:46,833 but he never sat around and talked to me about stuff. 107 00:05:46,875 --> 00:05:49,875 He was too busy. 108 00:05:49,958 --> 00:05:53,583 - So Scott had gone to high school in Germany 109 00:05:53,708 --> 00:05:58,500 and his mother and father broke up and his mother decided to 110 00:05:58,583 --> 00:06:02,625 move back to her hometown of Lexington Park, Maryland. 111 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:09,792 - Henry had applied for a divorce and Scott was very hurt. 112 00:06:11,625 --> 00:06:14,333 - I think it was probably a very, very difficult transition 113 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:17,333 for Scott, um, because that was really at the formative time of 114 00:06:17,417 --> 00:06:19,000 -of his life. 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,375 - The timing of the divorce was a lot worse for Scott than 116 00:06:22,458 --> 00:06:24,375 it was for me or Steve. 117 00:06:24,917 --> 00:06:26,917 And we were supposed to be in Germany for three years. 118 00:06:27,042 --> 00:06:28,833 We came back after one. 119 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:34,042 Now, I'm the man of the family, probably made him more bitter 120 00:06:34,167 --> 00:06:35,833 about the divorce. 121 00:06:35,875 --> 00:06:38,208 He was at a crucial point, you know, okay, 122 00:06:38,292 --> 00:06:39,083 am I going to college? 123 00:06:39,167 --> 00:06:40,333 Am I doing this? 124 00:06:40,458 --> 00:06:41,875 Am I-- You know, where am I gonna be living? 125 00:06:46,625 --> 00:06:50,000 - He played basketball at St. Mary's College, 126 00:06:50,083 --> 00:06:53,042 but I think he only went two or three semesters. 127 00:06:59,292 --> 00:07:02,125 - On my own, I strike out and I moved to Florida with one of my 128 00:07:02,208 --> 00:07:05,667 buddies and just bouncing around from place to place, sleeping on 129 00:07:05,792 --> 00:07:07,333 people's couches and floors. 130 00:07:07,417 --> 00:07:08,583 I don't care, I'm 17 131 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:10,125 I feel like I'm bulletproof. 132 00:07:11,875 --> 00:07:15,083 - We hopped in the car, drove to Orlando, went-- didn't even stop 133 00:07:15,167 --> 00:07:16,542 as he drove straight through. 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,167 - He worked for a place called Rosie O'Grady's where the-- 135 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:23,125 the waiters sang and danced. 136 00:07:24,208 --> 00:07:26,958 - At that time, you know, Lou Ferrigno was starring in the 137 00:07:27,042 --> 00:07:29,000 Incredible Hulk on TV. 138 00:07:29,625 --> 00:07:31,833 That whole bodybuilding thing was starting to take off. 139 00:07:32,667 --> 00:07:34,375 - I was first exposed to bodybuilding, 140 00:07:34,458 --> 00:07:36,000 like weightlifting at that time. 141 00:07:36,042 --> 00:07:37,583 Like all the other guys were weightlifting, 142 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:38,917 and I thought it was kind of silly. 143 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,375 I was a basketball player and I ran cross country. 144 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,208 Next thing you know, I'm into lifting weights. 145 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:46,167 Always been a huge wrestling fan. 146 00:07:46,292 --> 00:07:48,750 And now, you know, I get a little job so I can afford to go 147 00:07:48,833 --> 00:07:52,083 to shows, and every Sunday night at the Eddie Graham Sports 148 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:56,833 Complex in-in East Orlando, I'd go there every Sunday to the 149 00:07:56,917 --> 00:07:58,917 point where I start putting some size on. 150 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,333 I would do stuff like, I would go stand by the entranceway, 151 00:08:02,417 --> 00:08:04,500 like the guardrails where the guys make their entrance. 152 00:08:04,583 --> 00:08:05,708 And I'd go stand and I'd tell my friend, 153 00:08:05,792 --> 00:08:07,708 "How do I look next to him, man? 154 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:08,833 Like, how do I look next to him?" 155 00:08:08,917 --> 00:08:09,833 He'd go, "You're bigger than them, man." 156 00:08:09,875 --> 00:08:11,833 You bigger, you know, like. 157 00:08:14,375 --> 00:08:16,333 - People were just gawking at him. 158 00:08:16,417 --> 00:08:17,833 I mean, every place he went, they were going, 159 00:08:17,875 --> 00:08:19,708 "Oh my God. Man, you ought to go into wrestling 160 00:08:19,792 --> 00:08:21,250 or something like that." 161 00:08:21,333 --> 00:08:25,208 So that's really what, uh, catapulted him, you know, to- 162 00:08:25,208 --> 00:08:28,083 uh, to-to think about going into wrestling at that-- 163 00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:30,125 So he was starting to think about that already. 164 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:34,667 - He was just bodybuilding and working as a waiter. 165 00:08:35,083 --> 00:08:39,042 As he got bigger, he, uh, moved up to being a bouncer. 166 00:08:39,125 --> 00:08:42,208 And I think he used to bounce at the-- like the topless bars. 167 00:08:44,708 --> 00:08:47,333 - The big money to be made in bouncing at that time in Orlando 168 00:08:47,417 --> 00:08:49,333 was in strip clubs. 169 00:08:50,042 --> 00:08:52,167 I had a rule that I would never date a girl in a club that I 170 00:08:52,208 --> 00:08:55,833 worked at because it just makes it too difficult. 171 00:08:55,875 --> 00:09:00,958 But broke that rule and became involved with this girl, and- 172 00:09:03,958 --> 00:09:05,708 another guy she was involved with pulled 173 00:09:05,833 --> 00:09:07,833 a gun on me in the parking lot. 174 00:09:08,833 --> 00:09:10,792 He was carrying it combat-ready. 175 00:09:11,375 --> 00:09:14,042 And when we wrestled around and I ended up with my hand, 176 00:09:14,125 --> 00:09:17,000 I had no idea that it was ready to be fired. 177 00:09:17,083 --> 00:09:19,292 And I just was gonna pistol whip him with it, really. 178 00:09:23,958 --> 00:09:26,375 I ended up blowing the back of his head off at point-blank 179 00:09:26,458 --> 00:09:28,083 range and it was brutal. 180 00:09:28,167 --> 00:09:31,792 I mean, I had brains and blood all over me, and yeah, it-- 181 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:34,083 [bleep] me up pretty good. 182 00:09:34,625 --> 00:09:40,000 [phone rings] 183 00:09:40,083 --> 00:09:41,417 - I can remember the phone call. 184 00:09:41,542 --> 00:09:44,375 [phone rings] 185 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:47,083 The one that he gets from jail. 186 00:09:47,167 --> 00:09:51,000 I can remember my mother being at the-- in her bedroom, um, and 187 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:56,833 I remember the-the, uh, there was a distinct feeling of fear. 188 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,292 - He said not to worry, that he was innocent, 189 00:10:06,375 --> 00:10:09,208 but it-it was scary. 190 00:10:10,208 --> 00:10:11,958 - Was I trying to hurt him? 191 00:10:12,042 --> 00:10:13,208 Yeah, big time. 192 00:10:13,292 --> 00:10:15,792 Did I want him to never associate coming around 193 00:10:15,875 --> 00:10:17,000 me with a gun anymore? 194 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:18,167 Yeah. 195 00:10:18,208 --> 00:10:20,083 There was a message I was trying to send. 196 00:10:20,167 --> 00:10:23,833 I wasn't trying to kill him, but he's still dead. 197 00:10:27,083 --> 00:10:31,833 - He never talked about it to me, ever. 198 00:10:31,917 --> 00:10:34,083 - I mean, he was extremely traumatized by it. 199 00:10:35,125 --> 00:10:36,667 - He didn't really talk about it. 200 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:40,833 I mean, he just, I think he tried to leave it buried, 201 00:10:40,875 --> 00:10:43,750 but I don't think it stayed very far underneath the surface. 202 00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:56,125 - He was arrested and-and everything and then, um, you 203 00:10:56,250 --> 00:10:58,542 know, he-he was-- he was in jail for several days, but after a 204 00:10:58,667 --> 00:11:01,167 few days, they let him out for lack of evidence. 205 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:07,375 - You know, he was trying to kill me and he got killed. 206 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:12,208 I stayed with that girl for eight years, eight years. 207 00:11:12,208 --> 00:11:15,667 Every day I'd be going, oh, God and I'd go, 208 00:11:15,792 --> 00:11:18,208 "Hi, baby. Morning, baby. 209 00:11:18,292 --> 00:11:20,250 Want me to make you breakfast or you wanna go eat out? 210 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:21,750 What do you wanna do, baby?" 211 00:11:21,833 --> 00:11:24,875 And I know she's looking at me going, "Oh, God." 212 00:11:24,958 --> 00:11:26,042 You know, she's gotta be feeling the same thing. 213 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:28,000 It was-- it was horrifying, man. 214 00:11:29,958 --> 00:11:32,917 I probably should have got counseling then, but I was all 215 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,250 in this macho thing like, I'm cool. 216 00:11:34,375 --> 00:11:36,917 Plus I really felt the need to take care of her. 217 00:11:38,375 --> 00:11:42,458 - I think he just tried to not think about it, but I don't 218 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:46,083 think he was very successful at it. 219 00:11:46,208 --> 00:11:47,250 It doesn't go away. 220 00:11:47,333 --> 00:11:48,333 It just festers. 221 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:51,667 - There was something that he was suffering from and it was-- 222 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:55,500 it was post-traumatic in nature. 223 00:11:55,583 --> 00:11:57,500 - To get his mind off what had happened, 224 00:11:57,583 --> 00:12:00,250 he threw himself into wrestling. 225 00:12:00,375 --> 00:12:02,750 - I moved from Orlando, Florida, to Tampa 'cause I knew wrestling 226 00:12:02,833 --> 00:12:05,333 was there somewhere. 227 00:12:05,375 --> 00:12:09,292 I joined every gym in town, which was about five gyms till I 228 00:12:09,375 --> 00:12:11,000 knew where the wrestlers worked out. 229 00:12:11,083 --> 00:12:14,083 Then when I found that, I went there. 230 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:17,667 At that point, this is like '84, '85. 231 00:12:17,708 --> 00:12:19,500 Wrestling business changed. 232 00:12:19,542 --> 00:12:22,000 It became more about image and more about being camera 233 00:12:22,125 --> 00:12:25,000 friendly, being marketable. 234 00:12:25,083 --> 00:12:29,250 It was The Road Warriors, Paul Orndorff, Hulk Hogan, 235 00:12:29,375 --> 00:12:31,042 and I had the look. 236 00:12:31,167 --> 00:12:33,292 - Scott Hall, double tough individual. 237 00:12:33,375 --> 00:12:34,375 What a physical specimen. 238 00:12:36,208 --> 00:12:41,167 - So I met Blackjack Lanza at a show in St. Louis and he came up 239 00:12:41,250 --> 00:12:43,833 to me and said, "Hey, kid, you ready to make a move?" 240 00:12:43,917 --> 00:12:45,375 "No, I'm not ready." 241 00:12:45,458 --> 00:12:48,000 And he said, "Everybody sucks when they start." 242 00:12:48,042 --> 00:12:51,542 And I said, "In that case, I am ready," 243 00:12:51,625 --> 00:12:53,833 and he brought me to the AWA. 244 00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:58,667 - The Bulldog, there he goes, this could be over. 245 00:12:58,708 --> 00:13:00,667 Hall quick in the cover, hooks the leg, 246 00:13:00,750 --> 00:13:01,833 and gets the three count. 247 00:13:01,875 --> 00:13:02,708 - That's it. 248 00:13:02,792 --> 00:13:03,667 - Oh, my. 249 00:13:03,792 --> 00:13:05,667 Oh, my. 250 00:13:06,458 --> 00:13:08,333 - I'd like to extend a challenge to all the top names of 251 00:13:08,375 --> 00:13:09,458 professional wrestling. 252 00:13:09,542 --> 00:13:10,833 You know, I want a shot. 253 00:13:10,875 --> 00:13:12,167 I want to go to the top. 254 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:17,000 - I met Scott Hall when we were both in the AWA. 255 00:13:17,042 --> 00:13:19,292 He was one of the first guys to come and let me know that he had 256 00:13:19,375 --> 00:13:21,875 an apartment in the same place that he had an apartment. 257 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,042 So he even reached out to me there, sort of helped me get set 258 00:13:23,125 --> 00:13:25,250 up, having a lot of fun. 259 00:13:25,375 --> 00:13:26,625 We were making some money and we 260 00:13:26,708 --> 00:13:28,167 were getting better at wrestling. 261 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:30,417 - Beautiful full powerslam. 262 00:13:31,125 --> 00:13:33,583 - Scott Hall checked off every box. 263 00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:36,250 I think a great wrestler is this, this, this, this, this and 264 00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:38,792 you can put a check in every one of his. 265 00:13:39,333 --> 00:13:41,000 - And I knew Scott had it, you know. 266 00:13:41,083 --> 00:13:42,792 Back then, I could see it. 267 00:13:42,875 --> 00:13:44,375 He had that presence. 268 00:13:44,708 --> 00:13:45,500 - And there you go. 269 00:13:45,583 --> 00:13:46,333 It's Scott Hall. 270 00:13:46,417 --> 00:13:47,750 Good as gold. 271 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:48,750 - Wrestling is all about placement and balance 272 00:13:48,833 --> 00:13:49,875 and coordination. 273 00:13:49,958 --> 00:13:51,292 You know, he had it all. 274 00:13:51,917 --> 00:13:53,917 - Woo good, high leapfrog. 275 00:13:54,042 --> 00:13:56,750 Oh, high hip toss by Scott Hall. 276 00:13:57,167 --> 00:14:00,708 - He wasn't who he would become yet, but you could see like, 277 00:14:00,792 --> 00:14:02,750 wow, that guy's gotta be money. 278 00:14:02,833 --> 00:14:04,625 I mean he-he had it all. 279 00:14:05,167 --> 00:14:08,708 - The man many call the Tom Selleck look-alike, 280 00:14:08,792 --> 00:14:11,625 but bigger and better, Scott Hall. 281 00:14:12,542 --> 00:14:16,250 - Looked like he's walked out of central casting. 282 00:14:16,375 --> 00:14:20,375 And he got there because two mad scientists were in the back room 283 00:14:20,458 --> 00:14:23,333 somewhere in a laboratory creating this perfect image 284 00:14:23,417 --> 00:14:24,458 of a wrestler. 285 00:14:26,167 --> 00:14:30,000 - You got a date with Scott Hall in every arena across the state 286 00:14:30,083 --> 00:14:34,458 of Florida, so you better gear up for the fight of your life. 287 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,500 There was a time when I was wrestling in Germany. 288 00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:41,667 Electronic stores always had their TVs facing the street. 289 00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:45,083 I would go stand in the street and watch the-- 290 00:14:45,167 --> 00:14:46,500 all the TVs turned. 291 00:14:46,583 --> 00:14:48,000 I couldn't hear anything. 292 00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:51,250 And I'm watching, you know, the WWE on TV. 293 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 - Hulkamania is indeed alive. 294 00:14:56,083 --> 00:14:58,500 - Some day, that's gonna be me, that's gonna be me. 295 00:14:59,208 --> 00:15:01,000 I want to make a name for myself. 296 00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:02,583 The only way to do that is by winning matches 297 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:04,167 against top competition. 298 00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:08,083 I devoted nearly four or five years full-time to wrestling and 299 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:11,292 I look in the mirror and go, "I think I have what it takes." 300 00:15:11,375 --> 00:15:13,667 Some of my friends who I started at the same time are having 301 00:15:13,708 --> 00:15:17,500 success, but I'm not in the US where it really matters. 302 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:18,625 So I went, you know what? 303 00:15:18,708 --> 00:15:20,083 Then heck with this thing. 304 00:15:20,167 --> 00:15:21,583 I'm gonna get the other things in life. 305 00:15:21,708 --> 00:15:24,500 I'm gonna get a job at Sears and learn how to drive a forklift 306 00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:26,375 and get an old lady and have some kids. 307 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:28,167 I'll be just as happy doing that. 308 00:15:30,875 --> 00:15:33,542 - The very first time we met, we met in a bar. 309 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,833 He was blonde back then. 310 00:15:36,292 --> 00:15:38,250 He was just like the strong silent type, you know. 311 00:15:38,833 --> 00:15:40,083 He-he could be very sweet. 312 00:15:40,167 --> 00:15:41,625 He was a big teddy bear. 313 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:48,042 - Will you love her, comfort her, honor and keep her so long 314 00:15:48,125 --> 00:15:49,875 as you both shall live? 315 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000 - I will. 316 00:15:53,125 --> 00:15:54,458 You know, I begged her to marry me. 317 00:15:54,542 --> 00:15:55,833 I was in love. 318 00:15:55,917 --> 00:15:58,708 - Scott, you may kiss the bride. 319 00:16:00,583 --> 00:16:02,667 Ladies and gentlemen, I want to introduce to you 320 00:16:02,708 --> 00:16:04,583 Mr. And Mrs. Scott Hall. 321 00:16:08,417 --> 00:16:10,042 - It was the happiest time in the world for me. 322 00:16:10,542 --> 00:16:14,250 - Husband and wife, Dana and Scott Hall. 323 00:16:17,625 --> 00:16:20,167 - You know, I said I had one more commitment in Europe. 324 00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:21,667 I begged her to marry me. 325 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:23,167 We got married, we went to Europe. 326 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:25,292 I had a seven-month tour. 327 00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:27,000 At the end of seven months, I came back to Florida, 328 00:16:27,083 --> 00:16:29,375 my wife is six months pregnant. 329 00:16:30,208 --> 00:16:33,667 Now I'm ready to quit wrestling except I need money. 330 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:37,542 I gotta pay for this pregnancy upfront 'cause I'm uninsured. 331 00:16:38,333 --> 00:16:42,667 I called Diamond Dallas Page going, "Brother, I need a job. 332 00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:44,292 Can you help me?" 333 00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:48,500 - I was with WCW and I get a call. 334 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:51,333 "Dally, Scott." 335 00:16:51,417 --> 00:16:52,333 "Hey, buddy." 336 00:16:52,458 --> 00:16:56,042 He goes, "Man, I really need a job." 337 00:16:56,917 --> 00:17:00,167 - I've worked my way up the ladder one step at a time, 338 00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:03,500 beating all my opponents and I want to know why I can't get a 339 00:17:03,625 --> 00:17:05,167 shot at the Florida title. 340 00:17:06,208 --> 00:17:08,458 - Dallas is a smart guy. 341 00:17:08,542 --> 00:17:11,167 He just knew something wasn't clicking be-- for-for whatever 342 00:17:11,208 --> 00:17:15,250 reason it was, people weren't looking at Scott and, uh, so 343 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:16,708 Dallas had this idea. 344 00:17:17,708 --> 00:17:20,125 - Almost instantly it hit me. 345 00:17:20,208 --> 00:17:23,417 I said, "What if I could change your look?" 346 00:17:24,083 --> 00:17:26,000 He goes, "Oh, Dally." 347 00:17:26,083 --> 00:17:28,708 I go, "Scott, we gotta change your look." 348 00:17:30,542 --> 00:17:36,167 I watch MTV all the time and on comes George Michael. 349 00:17:38,708 --> 00:17:41,333 So I pick up the phone, 350 00:17:41,417 --> 00:17:44,333 "Hey Scotty, you gotta shave that mustache." 351 00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:47,542 "What? 352 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:51,250 Dally, I had this mustache since I was 15." 353 00:17:51,375 --> 00:17:53,667 I said, "I'm watching George Michael right now." 354 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:54,875 "Who?" 355 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,125 I'm like, "George Michael, the singer. 356 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,833 He's got his-- he's got the like 357 00:17:57,958 --> 00:17:59,833 this 5 o'clock shadow going, dude. 358 00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:01,333 You would look amazing. 359 00:18:01,458 --> 00:18:03,458 You gotta shave the mustache." 360 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:09,875 His name is The Diamond Studd. 361 00:18:10,208 --> 00:18:11,292 That's right, baby. 362 00:18:11,292 --> 00:18:12,833 Show them what it's all about here. 363 00:18:12,958 --> 00:18:14,750 It doesn't get any better than this. 364 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,542 - Take a good look at The Studd. 365 00:18:20,042 --> 00:18:21,083 You dye your hair black. 366 00:18:21,083 --> 00:18:22,167 No one has black hair. 367 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:23,833 You gotta have the stubble, you know? 368 00:18:23,917 --> 00:18:27,667 And he- Dallas gave me the toothpick, the whole thing. 369 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:30,625 Look right there and say Studd Time. 370 00:18:30,708 --> 00:18:31,667 - Studd Time. 371 00:18:31,792 --> 00:18:34,167 - All right, that's better, man. 372 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:40,708 - Scott did it and then it became Scott's trademark. 373 00:18:41,292 --> 00:18:43,292 - Scott just didn't go boom. 374 00:18:43,375 --> 00:18:48,333 He stepped back, he looked left, he looked right doot, doot, doot 375 00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:51,250 and flicked it in the camera and The Bad Guy was born. 376 00:18:52,375 --> 00:18:55,375 - Wrestling fans, the following tag team event, 377 00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:57,625 it is set for one fall. 378 00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:03,375 - I remember my debut as Oz. 379 00:19:03,833 --> 00:19:05,917 You know, back in those days, if you were, you know, a guy that 380 00:19:06,042 --> 00:19:08,792 lifted weights, you traveled with the guys lifting weights, 381 00:19:09,333 --> 00:19:12,000 so it was always me and Scott. 382 00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:16,083 I spent more of my life with Scott Hall than any other 383 00:19:16,208 --> 00:19:17,667 human on this planet. 384 00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:23,208 I always knew that if [bleep] went down 385 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:25,708 and they found my body his would be next to me. 386 00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:28,583 - It was great. 387 00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,000 Kev's a great guy. 388 00:19:30,042 --> 00:19:32,833 He's been a dear friend of mine since we met, and we were both 389 00:19:32,917 --> 00:19:35,750 jabronis, so we're both usually on early and got out of 390 00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:38,625 the building early, so it worked out pretty good for both of us. 391 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:42,375 You know, the WCW didn't do anything with me. 392 00:19:42,458 --> 00:19:44,292 You know what time it is? 393 00:19:44,375 --> 00:19:47,167 It's Studd Time. 394 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:49,375 I remember when I was an underneath jabroni thinking, 395 00:19:49,542 --> 00:19:51,958 "Yeah, I don't wanna just be somebody. 396 00:19:52,042 --> 00:19:53,375 I wanna be the guy. 397 00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,750 I wanna be a star. 398 00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:55,833 I wanna be the guy. 399 00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:58,417 I wanna be somebody." 400 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:02,708 - I was watching WCW and saw a guy called The Diamond Studd, 401 00:20:02,833 --> 00:20:07,750 and I remember calling Vince and saying, "Hey, turn on TBS 402 00:20:07,875 --> 00:20:09,208 check this guy out." 403 00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:13,417 When it was time for Scott's contract to be up, came in, 404 00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:15,875 and they talked about what he liked. 405 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:21,375 - He told me that Vince wanted to be like a soldier, 406 00:20:21,458 --> 00:20:23,250 you know, like a G.I. Joe type guy. 407 00:20:23,833 --> 00:20:25,042 - Vince goes, "Well, I understand 408 00:20:25,125 --> 00:20:27,000 your father was in the Army. 409 00:20:27,083 --> 00:20:28,792 I remember going, "Whew, here we go. 410 00:20:28,875 --> 00:20:31,125 I went, Vince, you want me to be G.I. Joe? 411 00:20:31,208 --> 00:20:33,667 I'll be the best G.I. Joe I can be." 412 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:34,958 I said, "Did you ever see Scarface?" 413 00:20:35,042 --> 00:20:36,292 He went, "Uh, no." 414 00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:38,500 "I went you to say hello to The Bad Guy." 415 00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:43,167 - Did an Al Pacino Scarface impersonation 416 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:44,625 and Razor Ramon was born. 417 00:20:49,625 --> 00:20:50,333 [bell rings] 418 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,708 - This is scheduled for a one-fall match. 419 00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:56,958 - I remember I had a tryout for Vince McMahon. 420 00:20:57,667 --> 00:21:00,833 I was summoned to his office and I started doing 421 00:21:00,917 --> 00:21:04,250 my whole Razor schtick, and he was laughing. 422 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:05,542 He thought it was great. 423 00:21:05,625 --> 00:21:07,500 And I'm just stealing lines from the movie. 424 00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:13,167 - The world, chico, and everything in it. 425 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:17,417 - The world, chico, and everything in it. 426 00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:22,458 - It's obviously inspired by Al Pacino's Scarface, 427 00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:24,000 but he made it his own. 428 00:21:31,042 --> 00:21:35,375 - Say hello to Razor Ramon. 429 00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:38,208 Check my ride, man. 430 00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,167 It's a Cadillac, man. 431 00:21:40,292 --> 00:21:43,042 Custom made for Razor. 432 00:21:44,625 --> 00:21:48,292 - Vince left TV to personally direct the Razor vignettes, 433 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:49,708 and he doesn't do that. 434 00:21:50,292 --> 00:21:52,208 - Look at me, man. 435 00:21:52,292 --> 00:21:53,458 Look at my threads. 436 00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,083 Look at that gold around my neck, man. 437 00:21:56,167 --> 00:21:57,875 - Look at the gold. 438 00:21:58,625 --> 00:22:01,542 - And he's loving what I'm doing. 439 00:22:02,083 --> 00:22:03,667 And we knocked out three or four vignettes. 440 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:06,667 - That was good. That was much better. 441 00:22:11,042 --> 00:22:12,000 - Like this monkey. 442 00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:13,583 - Hey. 443 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:14,542 Oh, man. 444 00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:18,667 - Now, I haven't been on TV yet, so no one knows who I am, but 445 00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:21,250 I'm walking through the airport like with a vest and gold 446 00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:25,458 chains, you know, with the curly Q, and-- but I'm with Vince. 447 00:22:25,542 --> 00:22:27,000 Now, everyone knows Vince. 448 00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:28,500 It's like, "Oh, hey, Vince, is that your new guy?" 449 00:22:28,583 --> 00:22:30,875 He's going, "So, look out for The Bad Guy. 450 00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:31,958 He's coming soon." 451 00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:35,000 I mean, you got to remember, that's me going back to that 452 00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:37,083 eight-year-old kid at the wrestling mat telling my friends 453 00:22:37,167 --> 00:22:38,417 this stuff is real. 454 00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:41,833 And now I'm walking through the airport with Vince McMahon and 455 00:22:41,917 --> 00:22:44,333 people are pointing their fingers at me going, 456 00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:45,833 "Wow, that guy is somebody." 457 00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,125 That's a pretty good feeling. 458 00:22:52,042 --> 00:22:53,667 - From Miami, Florida-- 459 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,250 - Well, take a look at this. 460 00:22:55,333 --> 00:23:03,000 --weighing 287 pounds, Razor Ramon. 461 00:23:04,042 --> 00:23:06,458 - Oh, wow. 462 00:23:06,542 --> 00:23:09,750 Look at Razor Ramon at will slapping his opponent. 463 00:23:10,792 --> 00:23:12,125 - Oh, no. 464 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:15,042 I have never seen a move like that before. 465 00:23:16,542 --> 00:23:20,750 - Razor gonna carve you up. 466 00:23:22,208 --> 00:23:24,917 - "I'm gonna carve you up." 467 00:23:25,042 --> 00:23:27,875 I mean, just-- he just had it down man, he had the- 468 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,792 the whole gimmick down. 469 00:23:30,375 --> 00:23:35,500 - A dedication to the gimmick by Scott that when he was Razor, 470 00:23:35,542 --> 00:23:36,625 he was Razor. 471 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:40,167 - Something happens to this gold, chico, 472 00:23:40,292 --> 00:23:42,792 something's going to happen to you. 473 00:23:42,875 --> 00:23:43,750 Entiendes man? 474 00:23:43,833 --> 00:23:45,042 [bell rings] 475 00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:47,708 - You could see how cool he was. 476 00:23:47,833 --> 00:23:50,875 No matter how bad he was, the things he would say were mean or 477 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,083 you wanted to boo him-- 478 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:57,167 - Nobody beats The Bad Guy. 479 00:23:57,708 --> 00:24:00,167 --but you couldn't deny the fact that Scott Hall, 480 00:24:00,208 --> 00:24:03,167 Razor Ramon, is cool. 481 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,167 Like, just-- he just oozes coolness. 482 00:24:07,458 --> 00:24:11,708 - Every little detail was so perfect. 483 00:24:11,792 --> 00:24:15,375 Scott Hall became that character. 484 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:17,375 - Here comes The Bad Guy. 485 00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:19,458 - This is the next big star of the '90s. 486 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:21,500 - I mean, everything was like, 487 00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:23,292 "Huh? Like, you're looking at me?" 488 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:26,458 You want to fight Razor Ramon? 489 00:24:26,542 --> 00:24:28,667 You lost your mind, chico. 490 00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:35,333 - His name's Razor Ramon. 491 00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:36,917 He's from Miami. 492 00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:43,125 He speaks with this really interesting attempt 493 00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:44,667 at an accent. 494 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,875 - Man, I living like a king. 495 00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,792 - And I think people were willing to just give it a pass. 496 00:24:50,875 --> 00:24:53,000 They just thought it was cool. 497 00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:56,583 - I am Razor Ramon. 498 00:24:56,667 --> 00:25:00,750 - I'm really happy that my break as Razor came when it did 499 00:25:00,875 --> 00:25:05,000 because I'd already been around for several years, 500 00:25:05,708 --> 00:25:07,750 different hairstyles, different gimmicks. 501 00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:10,833 I mean trying to get over, and-and not-nothing catching on. 502 00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:16,833 - By the time he got to that character, he was so ready for 503 00:25:16,917 --> 00:25:19,958 that push that nothing could stop him. 504 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,250 - Razor Ramon, the new Intercontinental Champion, 505 00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:27,875 and these fans are celebrating. 506 00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:31,250 - It was just the coolness factor. 507 00:25:31,375 --> 00:25:33,417 His merchandise was cool. 508 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,792 What wasn't cool about Razor Ramon? 509 00:25:42,417 --> 00:25:45,375 - At that time, guys on the crew, everybody's walking going, 510 00:25:45,458 --> 00:25:47,625 "I told you, man. I told you, man. 511 00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:49,625 It's-It's infectious." 512 00:25:49,708 --> 00:25:52,292 And that whole Razor gimmick got over. 513 00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:53,292 Yo. 514 00:25:54,458 --> 00:25:57,792 - Considering how big a term "yo" is, 515 00:25:57,875 --> 00:26:01,375 if you say, "Hey, yo," you're being Razor Ramon. 516 00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:06,375 - Yo, welcome to the locker room of The Bad Guy. 517 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,292 I think I may have got that from Rocky II. 518 00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:11,875 They're going, "Rock, we gotta jump on this right away. 519 00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:13,417 Well, you know, come on. You know, give me your number, 520 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:14,583 I'll call you." "You call me." 521 00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:15,833 And he goes, "Yeah, I'll call you guys. 522 00:26:15,958 --> 00:26:17,333 Well, here's my number, just-- I'll call you." 523 00:26:17,417 --> 00:26:19,292 You know, I go like, "Hey, yo." 524 00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:20,167 - I'll just call you. 525 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:21,792 I'll go, "Hey, yo." 526 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:25,500 - I steal only from the best, guys like Stallone and Pacino. 527 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,458 So, thanks, Sly. 528 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,792 - Scott Hall-isms that my friends and I think of are the 529 00:26:31,917 --> 00:26:33,250 things he used to say behind the scenes like, 530 00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:35,833 "Hey, yo, Stickman." 531 00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:37,667 He would call me Stickman. 532 00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:41,583 - This Stickman, this 1-2-3 Kid. 533 00:26:43,958 --> 00:26:48,292 - One night on Raw, we found out that Razor Ramon would have a 534 00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:52,000 match against a nobody, a no- a nothing in the eyes of fans, 535 00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:53,958 and a guy who you're seeing as tiny and you 536 00:26:54,042 --> 00:26:55,625 think has absolutely no chance. 537 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:58,500 - Look at the disparity in the size here of this youngster. 538 00:26:58,583 --> 00:26:59,875 Oh, my. 539 00:27:00,792 --> 00:27:03,958 Oh, manhandling this young man. 540 00:27:05,042 --> 00:27:07,167 - So, I'm beating him like a job guy. 541 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:08,375 Out of nowhere, moonsault. 542 00:27:09,333 --> 00:27:10,458 - Oh, wait a minute. 543 00:27:10,542 --> 00:27:11,625 One, two, three. 544 00:27:11,708 --> 00:27:14,250 [bell rings] 545 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,417 - What is this? 546 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,250 - He got him. 547 00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:21,583 - You see people going, like, "Oh, my God, Razor lost." 548 00:27:22,208 --> 00:27:24,833 I think we're right there with, like, the biggest upsets ever. 549 00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:28,250 - Razor Ramon can't believe what happened to him. 550 00:27:28,375 --> 00:27:29,708 Razor Ramon is angry. 551 00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:33,417 - It's how he sold it, like, "What happened?" 552 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,708 Like, he goes crazy. 553 00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:40,792 - As great as Razor Ramon is, good for 1-2-3 Kid, who, at 554 00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:44,500 that point, did not deserve to beat a Razor Ramon. 555 00:27:45,042 --> 00:27:49,125 It just isn't supposed to happen, but the shock value of 556 00:27:49,208 --> 00:27:54,292 that, and back in those days, that never happened, so it made 557 00:27:54,375 --> 00:27:59,417 automatically a new superstar in 1-2-3 Kid just by that quick. 558 00:28:00,458 --> 00:28:05,917 - Him wanting to help Sean, it really put Kid on the map. 559 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,875 - It was the most important moment of my career bar none. 560 00:28:11,417 --> 00:28:13,167 I got a lot of important moments after that, but none of them 561 00:28:13,208 --> 00:28:16,750 would have happened if it wasn't for that moment. 562 00:28:19,458 --> 00:28:22,083 Talking about how generous he was and kind and compassionate, 563 00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:25,333 the first thing that popped into my mind is when he went on the 564 00:28:25,417 --> 00:28:27,333 Jerry Springer Show one time. 565 00:28:27,917 --> 00:28:29,542 There was two young children. 566 00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,167 They both were HIV positive. 567 00:28:31,708 --> 00:28:33,250 - When you watch wrestling, who do you like? 568 00:28:34,208 --> 00:28:35,750 - Razor Ramon. 569 00:28:35,833 --> 00:28:38,167 - The boy was a huge Razor Ramon fan. 570 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:39,167 - Here he is. 571 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,458 [crowd cheers] 572 00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:43,417 - These guys are fighting a fight that we all know 573 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,208 what-what's happening here. 574 00:28:45,292 --> 00:28:46,875 You take care of that. 575 00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:48,083 I'll see you guys at WrestleMania. 576 00:28:48,167 --> 00:28:50,125 [crowd cheers] 577 00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:52,167 - He walked out without the belt because he gave it to the 578 00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:55,500 kid, and he called WWE office and he said, "Oh, yeah, if you 579 00:28:55,583 --> 00:29:00,167 have an-an-- a spare IC title belt, you might wanna bring it 580 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,167 to the TV because I just gave it away to this kid 581 00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:04,500 on the Springer Show." 582 00:29:07,125 --> 00:29:09,458 - I always remember him being larger than life, you know, 583 00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:12,125 always having to look, you know, look straight up to see him. 584 00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:16,458 - What are you doing, Cody? 585 00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:18,417 - I'm walking in daddy's shoes. 586 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,292 - Walking in daddy's shoes. 587 00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:22,625 - You know, everybody thinks their dad is so big, 588 00:29:22,708 --> 00:29:24,250 but my dad really was, you know. 589 00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:25,792 My dad can beat up your dad, you know. 590 00:29:25,875 --> 00:29:27,042 I could really believe that. 591 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,250 - You know, you got to remember, I'm young and in love too so 592 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:33,417 everything is great and all those-- I feel like I'm 593 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,000 connecting with my kid. 594 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:38,208 It's like, "Ooh, protect my family, hunter, gatherer," 595 00:29:38,292 --> 00:29:40,500 you know, "let me go conquer the world now." 596 00:29:41,667 --> 00:29:42,667 - And we had a nice life. 597 00:29:42,792 --> 00:29:44,000 We got to go places and do things, 598 00:29:44,167 --> 00:29:46,167 and we had material things. 599 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,250 - I remember every morning, uh, he never would come 600 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,625 wake us up in our rooms. 601 00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,125 He would always just play his Shaggy CD blasting really loud 602 00:29:54,208 --> 00:29:57,250 through the house, and come out and he'd be cooking sausages. 603 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,375 - You know, things are great, man. 604 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,042 I mean, it was a wonderful, wonderful time in my life when 605 00:30:01,125 --> 00:30:02,542 I look back on it, you know. 606 00:30:05,458 --> 00:30:07,833 - Has anyone ever been cooler in wrestling? 607 00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:09,500 Like, I don't know that anyone's ever been 608 00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:10,792 that much cooler than that. 609 00:30:11,167 --> 00:30:13,458 Then on top of that, he's fantastic in the ring. 610 00:30:13,542 --> 00:30:15,500 It's not like he had the character and the vignettes, and 611 00:30:15,583 --> 00:30:17,667 then when he would showed up and you saw him wrestle, he stunk. 612 00:30:18,083 --> 00:30:20,667 He was every bit as good in the ring as he was on the 613 00:30:20,708 --> 00:30:24,292 microphone, or backstage in an interview, whatever it may be. 614 00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:26,792 - Look at this, ladies and gentlemen. 615 00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:28,333 That's unbelievable. 616 00:30:28,625 --> 00:30:31,708 - Teddy, no- Down to the canvas. 617 00:30:31,792 --> 00:30:33,292 - There was never a time where they said, 618 00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:34,875 "You can have the night off if you want." 619 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Scotty be like, "I'll work. I'll work." 620 00:30:38,042 --> 00:30:39,417 Because that was, you know, that was his laboratory. 621 00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:44,167 - That's what it's all about, the two Intercontinental 622 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:46,250 Championship belts hanging from above. 623 00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:48,000 [bell rings] 624 00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:52,167 - Scott and Shawn, I mean, the ladder match, WrestleMania X. 625 00:30:52,542 --> 00:30:53,167 - Here we go. 626 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:53,750 Razor. 627 00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:55,833 No, Razor reverses. 628 00:30:55,917 --> 00:30:57,875 Oh, no. 629 00:30:57,958 --> 00:30:58,875 - They took it to a different level. 630 00:30:59,417 --> 00:31:03,000 - Shawn Michaels from high above. 631 00:31:03,083 --> 00:31:04,958 Oh. 632 00:31:05,042 --> 00:31:08,208 - It's one of my favorite WrestleMania matches ever. 633 00:31:08,792 --> 00:31:09,833 - No, no, no. 634 00:31:09,917 --> 00:31:11,042 - Oh. 635 00:31:12,417 --> 00:31:15,083 - At that time, we were 10 feet tall, bulletproof. 636 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,125 - Unbelievable. 637 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:18,500 - Oh. 638 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,333 - To get to experience that with him is very fun. 639 00:31:21,875 --> 00:31:24,250 - I remember looking at Shawn and going, 640 00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:27,875 "Don't tell, Vince, but I would do this for free. 641 00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:29,958 This feels so good." 642 00:31:30,667 --> 00:31:31,250 - Going up. 643 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:32,000 - Razor's up. 644 00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:33,292 Come on, referee. 645 00:31:35,208 --> 00:31:36,958 - Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 646 00:31:37,042 --> 00:31:39,125 [bell rings] 647 00:31:39,542 --> 00:31:41,208 - Me and Shawn rocked it. 648 00:31:42,042 --> 00:31:45,250 - Razor is the undisputed champion. 649 00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:50,750 - Literally when you first start saying, I wanna become a WWE 650 00:31:50,833 --> 00:31:55,458 Superstar, the matches that you watch, that one's on the list. 651 00:31:56,458 --> 00:31:58,000 - The ladder match at WrestleMania X is in the 652 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,833 conversation for best WrestleMania match of all time. 653 00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:04,167 It's a wonderful match between two guys who knew each other 654 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:05,417 like the back of their hands. 655 00:32:07,208 --> 00:32:09,417 - I've been so blessed that a lot of my matches in my career, 656 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,833 I look across the ring and it's guys that I'm going to ride out 657 00:32:11,958 --> 00:32:13,042 of the building with. 658 00:32:14,375 --> 00:32:19,125 - Triple H, Sean Waltman, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, 659 00:32:19,208 --> 00:32:21,375 and Scott Hall, the Kliq. 660 00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:25,000 - Five guys that shared this bond. 661 00:32:25,875 --> 00:32:29,167 The bond sorta just came outta a love for the business 662 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:30,542 We drove down the road together and all we did was 663 00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:31,583 talk about business. 664 00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:34,333 - A bunch of guys that decided to stick together, 665 00:32:34,417 --> 00:32:35,583 and have each other's backs. 666 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,333 - I remember Vince walking into the locker one time. 667 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:41,833 He goes, "I have one question about this Kliq." 668 00:32:41,917 --> 00:32:43,208 He goes, "How do I get in?" 669 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,667 And we went, 670 00:32:46,792 --> 00:32:49,417 "You love the business, you're already in, boss." 671 00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:52,958 - Dudes you can talk to about your kids, and your old lady, 672 00:32:53,042 --> 00:32:55,292 and your marriage, and your troubles. 673 00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,167 I mean, and then to be able to go out there and rock it with 674 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:58,583 them in the ring. 675 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:05,042 When you're with one of your dearest friends and you go out 676 00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:08,000 and rock a sold out arena, and you're part 677 00:33:08,042 --> 00:33:10,000 of the reason they're there. 678 00:33:11,458 --> 00:33:13,542 Like, you leave the ring, no matter who wins, who loses, 679 00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:15,958 who cares, who remembers. 680 00:33:16,042 --> 00:33:17,417 And you're, like, "Ooh, now what? 681 00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:18,375 Now what? 682 00:33:18,458 --> 00:33:19,500 Now what? 683 00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:21,083 Like, Oh, God, I got to get a flight at 6:00 AM. 684 00:33:21,167 --> 00:33:23,333 Now what?" 685 00:33:23,417 --> 00:33:26,083 One time I heard Mick Jagger say something, I can't understand 686 00:33:26,208 --> 00:33:29,375 people using drugs to get up for a show. 687 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:32,167 Now, I can understand taking something to come down, 688 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,708 and I know what he's talking about, 689 00:33:37,542 --> 00:33:39,458 and that's where I wasn't always making good decisions. 690 00:33:44,292 --> 00:33:48,083 Here comes The Bad Guy arriving at another arena. 691 00:33:48,167 --> 00:33:50,542 I can hear Lex Luger's music. 692 00:33:50,625 --> 00:33:56,500 That means only one thing, another night of WWE action. 693 00:33:56,542 --> 00:34:03,333 But right now, man-- right now, chicos, I gotta go to work. 694 00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:10,208 On TV, I had this really cool life, 695 00:34:11,708 --> 00:34:15,167 but then the low, the-the 696 00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:17,000 drop down, like, wow, now I don't feel that-- 697 00:34:17,125 --> 00:34:19,500 I don't feel that rush from the audience, I don't feel that rush 698 00:34:19,583 --> 00:34:21,500 from the TV cameras. Like, "Well, now what? 699 00:34:21,583 --> 00:34:22,875 Now what? 700 00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:24,000 You know, what do you got? 701 00:34:24,042 --> 00:34:25,208 What do you got? 702 00:34:25,292 --> 00:34:27,500 You know, I'm a big deal, remember?" 703 00:34:27,583 --> 00:34:31,250 Have a good holiday season, man, but be smart. 704 00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:33,667 Don't drink and drive or you might have to suffer 705 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,625 the consequences. 706 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,333 I went from thinking I wasn't that important to thinking 707 00:34:39,417 --> 00:34:41,083 I was, kind of, a really big deal. 708 00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,542 - I can't ever recall a time where Scott was 709 00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:49,167 impaired at work. 710 00:34:49,208 --> 00:34:50,708 Where it was like, "Okay, wait a minute, you know, 711 00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:52,375 we can't put him out there." 712 00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:56,417 Afterwards, seeing Scott impaired? 713 00:34:56,542 --> 00:34:57,417 Sure. 714 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,000 Absolutely, and Scott had his demons. 715 00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:00,875 Scott had his demons with alcohol. 716 00:35:02,458 --> 00:35:05,958 - In my case and some of the guys I was hanging out with, 717 00:35:06,042 --> 00:35:07,625 we were taking it to the next level. 718 00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:11,208 - And we ran hard, you know, 719 00:35:11,292 --> 00:35:12,375 we ran hard 720 00:35:13,917 --> 00:35:17,000 and it was every single night. 721 00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:22,667 - Scott wasn't always a mean drunk, but probably over half 722 00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:27,375 the time, he would end up there before the night was over. 723 00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,750 There's that fine line there where it would crossover into, 724 00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:33,750 okay, it's-- we called him captain redneck. 725 00:35:33,875 --> 00:35:35,417 Yeah. 726 00:35:36,708 --> 00:35:39,000 - We sat there and told ourselves we only do this when 727 00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,000 we're on the road. 728 00:35:41,458 --> 00:35:43,333 This is not the way we're living our real lives. 729 00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:45,333 We only do this stuff when we're on the road. 730 00:35:45,417 --> 00:35:47,875 The only problem with that is, we're on the road 250, 731 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,542 300 times a year. 732 00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:51,833 So if you think about it, you're really doing it almost 733 00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:53,833 all the time. 734 00:35:55,875 --> 00:35:58,667 - He was supposed to call every night, and he usually did, 735 00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:02,458 but as soon as he said hello, I could tell whether he did had 736 00:36:02,542 --> 00:36:05,542 had a sip or not like from-- just from this voice I knew. 737 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,750 And then I'd be upset at him. 738 00:36:09,625 --> 00:36:11,208 He tried really hard in the beginning. 739 00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:14,333 We had everything, we had every reason to be happy 740 00:36:14,375 --> 00:36:16,042 and to have a fairytale. 741 00:36:16,167 --> 00:36:20,500 Like our house, we built this gorgeous house and we called it 742 00:36:20,542 --> 00:36:25,750 Halls' Enchanted Acres, but it was not Halls' Enchanted Acres. 743 00:36:27,042 --> 00:36:28,917 You can't have a normal life when you're pretending to be 744 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,750 somebody else that many days of the month, you know. 745 00:36:32,875 --> 00:36:35,208 Like, it's just-- and I'm sure there's some guys that can shut 746 00:36:35,292 --> 00:36:37,667 it off, but Scott just couldn't. 747 00:36:37,792 --> 00:36:38,750 He couldn't shut if off. 748 00:36:40,458 --> 00:36:43,625 He got so caught up in that whole thing that he-- 749 00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:46,667 the toothpick will be in his mouth at home, the curl, the-- 750 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,958 you know, the whole thing, the whole attitude at home 751 00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,083 and I'm like, 752 00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:52,333 "Dude, like, leave it at the door." 753 00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:02,625 - I really felt a freedom when I became another character. 754 00:37:02,708 --> 00:37:05,583 I got to be this other guy, I got to be Razor, 755 00:37:06,917 --> 00:37:09,625 because Scott Hall maybe having a lot of personal difficulties, 756 00:37:09,708 --> 00:37:11,833 but when Razor steps through that curtain, man, 757 00:37:11,875 --> 00:37:12,917 he ain't got no problems. 758 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,167 His life is great. 759 00:37:14,208 --> 00:37:15,667 It's better than yours. 760 00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:21,917 - Once he became Razor Ramon and he got so wrapped up into that, 761 00:37:22,833 --> 00:37:25,542 he tried. He just couldn't do both. 762 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,000 - I know when I was little I would see him on TV. 763 00:37:29,042 --> 00:37:32,500 I wouldn't necessarily recognize him because he just looked so 764 00:37:32,542 --> 00:37:35,500 different or he was acting so different that I would kinda 765 00:37:35,542 --> 00:37:39,042 think that that was The Bad Guy who took my dad away. 766 00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:45,000 - I'm the guy who thrives on excitement. 767 00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:47,542 I live my life in the spotlight. 768 00:37:48,625 --> 00:37:49,958 - He would always call me Code, big Code. 769 00:37:50,042 --> 00:37:51,500 He said, "Code, we're gonna break the cycle. 770 00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:53,792 Me and you are gonna break the cycle because I know better. 771 00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:56,000 My father did this to me and was an alcoholic and would treat my 772 00:37:56,125 --> 00:37:57,958 mom bad and wasn't there for us. 773 00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,333 I'm never gonna do this to you, and then me and you are gonna be 774 00:38:00,417 --> 00:38:02,458 best buds and you're not gonna do that either." 775 00:38:04,167 --> 00:38:06,750 I think that he just grew up around that and he soaked it all 776 00:38:06,833 --> 00:38:07,958 in, internalized it. 777 00:38:08,792 --> 00:38:10,708 He never really kinda fought through it properly. 778 00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:13,708 - Say hi, dad. 779 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,167 - Hi, dad. 780 00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:17,500 - When he would talk about his relationship with his father, 781 00:38:17,583 --> 00:38:22,167 he just didn't feel he had one, and I think it was hard for him 782 00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:25,458 to then have the blueprint for what he was supposed to do 783 00:38:25,542 --> 00:38:27,583 for when anything went wrong. 784 00:38:27,708 --> 00:38:31,417 It was kinda just leave, turn to the alcohol, or kind of one 785 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,333 thing goes wrong and it's over. 786 00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:37,000 - There were good things. 787 00:38:37,125 --> 00:38:40,042 It was just that there was more bad things than good things 788 00:38:40,125 --> 00:38:41,333 because he was never there. 789 00:38:41,958 --> 00:38:42,750 Hi, daddy. 790 00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,917 We love you. 791 00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:46,000 Hurry home. 792 00:38:47,583 --> 00:38:49,583 He would always say, "I'm doing what I'm doing for us." 793 00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:51,250 Where'd Daddy go today? 794 00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:52,792 - He's at the airport. 795 00:38:53,542 --> 00:38:56,167 - What you're doing for us is destroying us. 796 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:57,167 Stop. 797 00:38:57,292 --> 00:38:58,500 Like, stop. 798 00:38:59,292 --> 00:39:02,333 - It's a difficult place, and it can be very, very dark. 799 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:06,125 - I tried to tell him, "Hey, look, man, 800 00:39:06,208 --> 00:39:08,375 you've got everything. 801 00:39:08,458 --> 00:39:10,500 Just don't blow it." 802 00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:20,250 - I'm the main man in the WWE and you know it 803 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,917 and everybody here knows it. 804 00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:28,333 - At that time, the contracts that Vince offered were 805 00:39:28,458 --> 00:39:31,500 opportunities, no guaranteed money. 806 00:39:31,917 --> 00:39:35,250 I hope I don't get hurt and I hope I get paid. 807 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:38,625 I'd been working so hard for Vince, you know, doing autograph 808 00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:40,958 signings at Walmart for free, and you would go 809 00:39:41,042 --> 00:39:44,083 because if you don't, then screw you. 810 00:39:44,167 --> 00:39:45,417 You- do it. 811 00:39:46,875 --> 00:39:49,167 - Scott was looking for less work, a better schedule, 812 00:39:50,375 --> 00:39:55,125 a schedule that, you know, wasn't as hectic as our schedule 813 00:39:55,208 --> 00:39:57,000 was and guaranteed money. 814 00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:59,167 - I remember going to Vince and asking him, 815 00:39:59,208 --> 00:40:02,542 "My pay has plateaued and I'm wondering what I need to do to 816 00:40:02,625 --> 00:40:04,792 make that big money." 817 00:40:05,208 --> 00:40:07,167 And we couldn't really come to any kind of agreement, 818 00:40:07,292 --> 00:40:08,792 and I ended up giving my notice. 819 00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:11,042 - I had worked with Scott. 820 00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:12,542 I knew Scott, so I was very well aware of him, but I was 821 00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,875 surprised that he was available. 822 00:40:14,958 --> 00:40:16,708 He was a very prominent character in WWE at the time. 823 00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:20,750 And I met with Scott and said, "Okay, we're gonna do a deal." 824 00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:27,250 - You know, it was guaranteed $1.2 million for like 120 days. 825 00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:29,917 120 days for 1.2. 826 00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:33,083 Guys were making that money maybe for Vince, but you were 827 00:40:33,167 --> 00:40:35,208 working 300 days for it. 828 00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:36,917 We're done. 829 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,333 Cut. 830 00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:43,542 - We were not in a position to really offer more. 831 00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:47,000 We were not in a position to go back and say, 832 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:51,458 "Hey, Scott, we can match that or we can do the same thing." 833 00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:58,917 - I remember walking to the ring in Madison Square Garden that 834 00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:00,292 night, the fans going, "You sold out." 835 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,042 And I'm going, "You're right, I did." 836 00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,333 [fan yells "You sold out"] 837 00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:05,833 - I felt like I sold out. 838 00:41:05,958 --> 00:41:08,875 I wanted that guaranteed money to secure my kids' future. 839 00:41:11,417 --> 00:41:15,958 For years and years, my tagline was, "Say hello to The Bad Guy." 840 00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:20,000 And I remember getting the microphone in the Garden that 841 00:41:20,042 --> 00:41:25,375 night and going, "Say goodbye to The Bad Guy." 842 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:31,208 [fans heckling] 843 00:41:31,292 --> 00:41:35,542 I mean, I felt like, "Wow, chapter completed. 844 00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:37,333 This chapter is done. 845 00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:38,667 Now I'm gonna go to WCW 846 00:41:38,708 --> 00:41:40,542 and see what's it lay wait for me there." 847 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:49,417 - Huge WWE Superstars going to WCW was still somewhat novel 848 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,208 when Scott Hall walked in the door. 849 00:41:52,708 --> 00:41:54,250 - Well, what the hell? 850 00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:55,167 Wait a minute. 851 00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:56,667 - Somebody give me a mic. 852 00:41:56,792 --> 00:42:00,333 - So, the idea was, let's have this guy just show up on TV 853 00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:01,917 in the crowd. 854 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:10,542 - You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here. 855 00:42:11,167 --> 00:42:16,167 People thought Vince sent us there to crush WCW, and Bischoff 856 00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,667 was on board with that concept and we ran with it. 857 00:42:20,125 --> 00:42:24,583 You want a war, you're gonna get one. 858 00:42:25,375 --> 00:42:27,458 - WWE is invading WCW. 859 00:42:27,542 --> 00:42:29,458 Razor Ramon just walked into Monday Nitro. 860 00:42:29,542 --> 00:42:30,958 This is insane. 861 00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:36,167 - Shortly thereafter, Kevin Nash walks through the door. 862 00:42:36,208 --> 00:42:38,833 - This is where the big boys play, huh? 863 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:41,875 - So, now you have these two guys who had just been very 864 00:42:41,958 --> 00:42:47,792 in pretty prominent stories in WWE on WCW television. 865 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,875 - We're not Diesel, we're not Razor, like we're The Outsiders. 866 00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:54,708 We're Hall and Nash. 867 00:42:55,208 --> 00:43:00,083 - The Outsiders. 868 00:43:01,042 --> 00:43:05,083 - Scott was a major, major part of me getting back on my feet. 869 00:43:05,792 --> 00:43:08,292 I kind of saw what he was doing. 870 00:43:08,375 --> 00:43:10,750 And he was Razor Ramon turning into Scott Hall. 871 00:43:10,833 --> 00:43:12,000 And damn, I could do that too. 872 00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:18,833 All this crap in the ring represents these fans out here. 873 00:43:18,958 --> 00:43:24,250 As far as I'm concerned, you fans can stick it, brother. 874 00:43:24,333 --> 00:43:29,083 You know, I can go from Hulk Hogan into the other side of me, 875 00:43:29,208 --> 00:43:33,167 the dark side of my personality, and make that work, you know. 876 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:37,875 This right here is the future of wrestling. 877 00:43:37,958 --> 00:43:43,792 You can call this the New World Order of Wrestling, brother. 878 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:50,250 - The idea of bringing in a group that would come in to try 879 00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:54,792 to take control, it's the essence of a story of anarchy. 880 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000 Wow, cool. 881 00:43:59,083 --> 00:44:00,792 Yeah, we can make that work. 882 00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:05,375 - The nWo. 883 00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:09,000 - Hogan, Hall, and Nash, they're going after everybody. 884 00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:11,667 Oh, no. 885 00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:13,542 They are spray painting him. 886 00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:16,750 This is disgusting. 887 00:44:17,583 --> 00:44:21,417 - The black and white, you know, the headbands, the kind of urban 888 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:27,583 vibe that became the trademark for nWo, that was Scott Hall. 889 00:44:27,958 --> 00:44:31,167 - I'd like to say a little word to all the WCW wrestlers. 890 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:34,375 You know, guys, it's only business. 891 00:44:34,917 --> 00:44:39,167 - Scott Hall was so cool that he made Hulk Hogan cool. 892 00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:42,333 - Well, you know, brothers, Hollywood, 893 00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:46,417 the nWo is on a roll, brah. 894 00:44:47,083 --> 00:44:51,583 Just for us to come out and have Scott come out sliding on out 895 00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:56,542 and Kevin doing the wolf pack thing and me playing the belt. 896 00:44:57,042 --> 00:44:59,250 We looked like we didn't have a care in the world. 897 00:44:59,708 --> 00:45:03,292 Here's the nWo. 898 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:05,000 We weren't afraid to get beat up. 899 00:45:05,042 --> 00:45:06,042 "Are you gonna beat us up?" 900 00:45:06,125 --> 00:45:08,042 Scott, "Ooh, we're scared," you know. 901 00:45:08,167 --> 00:45:11,542 And he just set the tone that just everything he did was so 902 00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:12,667 spot on. 903 00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:14,750 It was so smooth. 904 00:45:14,833 --> 00:45:16,417 It was easy to follow. 905 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,833 When somebody just glides in the room, it's easy to follow in 906 00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:20,000 there once they laid the red carpet out for you. 907 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,958 - When I went and became part of the nWo, it was at a whole 908 00:45:24,042 --> 00:45:26,750 different level of notoriety. 909 00:45:27,375 --> 00:45:29,708 They wouldn't know about any other thing on wrestling, but 910 00:45:29,792 --> 00:45:31,208 they knew what nWo was. 911 00:45:31,833 --> 00:45:33,333 We felt like the Beatles or the Rolling Stones 912 00:45:33,458 --> 00:45:35,000 or something like that. 913 00:45:35,083 --> 00:45:36,542 - We changed the world, man. 914 00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:40,583 We started to take away people from Monday Night Football. 915 00:45:41,458 --> 00:45:47,625 - Everybody knows the nWo is the reason for the success 916 00:45:47,708 --> 00:45:49,000 of Monday Nitro. 917 00:45:50,208 --> 00:45:53,292 - The Outsiders and the nWo, and we had the Hall 918 00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:55,083 and Nash marketability. 919 00:45:55,958 --> 00:45:58,917 - It's one of the coolest, most memorable things 920 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,792 in wrestling history. 921 00:46:00,875 --> 00:46:03,000 Scott Hall was the focal point of it. 922 00:46:04,375 --> 00:46:08,167 Hulk Hogan may have been the bigger name, Kevin Nash may have 923 00:46:08,208 --> 00:46:12,708 been the bigger guy, but Scott Hall was the heart and soul 924 00:46:12,792 --> 00:46:13,917 of the nWo. 925 00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:26,667 - All is well in the nWo because everybody knows when you're nWo, 926 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:31,208 you're nWo for life. 927 00:46:33,875 --> 00:46:36,250 - The nWo was getting over so well. 928 00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:38,542 It was so cool to be a part of it. 929 00:46:38,542 --> 00:46:40,250 And the cheddar was sweet. 930 00:46:40,375 --> 00:46:44,583 I mean, Turner paid great and I was on the road a lot less now, 931 00:46:44,667 --> 00:46:46,208 so now I'm home more. 932 00:46:46,917 --> 00:46:48,208 - I got to be really spoiled. 933 00:46:48,292 --> 00:46:50,125 And I asked for a pony [chuckles] 934 00:46:50,208 --> 00:46:52,917 and I got one for Christmas and my birthday that year. 935 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000 And then my dad built a barn next to our house. 936 00:46:55,083 --> 00:46:58,542 So, a lot of, um, my favorite memories are just us 937 00:46:58,667 --> 00:46:59,958 at the barn every day. 938 00:47:01,792 --> 00:47:03,833 - I loved the father part, but the husband part wasn't 939 00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:05,375 working out too good at all. 940 00:47:07,208 --> 00:47:08,917 We're not getting along that good, so I'm almost wishing 941 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,250 I was on the road. 942 00:47:11,792 --> 00:47:14,375 Wanted to be medicated and stuff started to seem 943 00:47:14,458 --> 00:47:15,375 like a pretty good idea. 944 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,250 At that time, a lot of pills were being passed 945 00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:20,542 around in bars. 946 00:47:20,625 --> 00:47:21,875 Like, guys would go, 947 00:47:21,958 --> 00:47:23,542 "Here, man. Canadian Valium, here, take this." 948 00:47:23,542 --> 00:47:25,250 And it was like, "Okay." 949 00:47:26,042 --> 00:47:28,500 And that's a lethal combination. 950 00:47:28,542 --> 00:47:30,917 You know, downers and booze, a lot of guys are dead 951 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,125 because of that. 952 00:47:33,542 --> 00:47:35,667 - Big Kev and I could drink a pitcher of beer, a couple of 953 00:47:35,708 --> 00:47:38,417 pitchers of beer, but, you know, if Kev and I walked away, 954 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,000 Scott would keep going and never stop. 955 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,500 He didn't do anything halfway. 956 00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:47,208 And so, you know, there were situations where he would show 957 00:47:47,292 --> 00:47:50,542 up, where it might not be best to let him talk. 958 00:47:51,625 --> 00:47:53,417 - Backstage, my friend. 959 00:47:54,417 --> 00:47:55,833 You go back. 960 00:47:55,917 --> 00:47:57,250 We'll take care of business. 961 00:47:58,042 --> 00:47:59,833 - His marriage went south. 962 00:47:59,958 --> 00:48:02,792 He just had, like, that snowball effect of things that just kind 963 00:48:02,875 --> 00:48:06,000 of turned his life around, and, you know, 964 00:48:06,083 --> 00:48:08,333 he just couldn't pull the nose up. 965 00:48:08,417 --> 00:48:11,500 You know, I'd talk and talk and talk and talk to him. 966 00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:13,917 You know, it's just, 967 00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:21,417 "I can't want it more than-than you. It just doesn't work." 968 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,958 - I had a lot of people were offering to help me. 969 00:48:24,042 --> 00:48:26,625 I was just- had a problem accepting help. 970 00:48:26,708 --> 00:48:28,167 You know, it meant that I'm weak or something's wrong with me, 971 00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:32,333 you know, or-or asking for help is impossible. 972 00:48:32,417 --> 00:48:35,125 But then accepting help that's already offered 973 00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:37,417 was really tough for me too. 974 00:48:38,667 --> 00:48:42,875 - When Scott first returned to WCW, it was May 27th, 1996. 975 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000 I only remember it because that was my birthday. 976 00:48:45,708 --> 00:48:51,792 Fast forward now a year and a half, nWo is on fire, making 977 00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:57,000 money hand over fist, selling out arenas all over the world. 978 00:48:57,042 --> 00:48:58,708 Things are good. 979 00:49:00,167 --> 00:49:02,500 Now, I'm in a situation where I have to decide whether to fire 980 00:49:02,625 --> 00:49:05,833 him or whether to just take him off TV for six months or three 981 00:49:05,875 --> 00:49:07,917 months and get him into treatment. 982 00:49:07,917 --> 00:49:09,250 It's all gonna hurt. 983 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,625 Every one of those choices has a price tag. 984 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,833 - Hey, yo. 985 00:49:20,417 --> 00:49:27,958 Tonight, the spectrum looks just too sweet. 986 00:49:28,042 --> 00:49:32,542 [crowd yells "Too sweet"] 987 00:49:32,625 --> 00:49:34,625 - Whether you're being booed or cheered, as long as they're 988 00:49:34,708 --> 00:49:38,083 paying attention, it was the most intoxicating thing 989 00:49:38,167 --> 00:49:41,167 I've ever come across and I've come across a few. 990 00:49:42,125 --> 00:49:44,625 Then the problem is you gotta go back through, 991 00:49:44,708 --> 00:49:45,667 re-enter the real world. 992 00:49:47,542 --> 00:49:51,583 - When the nWo really got hot is when things started 993 00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:52,667 to catch up with him. 994 00:49:54,417 --> 00:49:56,583 - If something ever goes wrong, Scott Hall is usually right 995 00:49:56,708 --> 00:49:58,292 in the thick of it. 996 00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:00,708 - How many drunks have you seen in your life that think they're 997 00:50:00,792 --> 00:50:02,750 really, really funny, but everybody around them 998 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,958 wants to hit them in the head with a beer bottle? 999 00:50:05,042 --> 00:50:06,500 That was Scott. 1000 00:50:06,583 --> 00:50:08,167 He thought he was being funny, he thought he was being 1001 00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:09,667 entertaining, but he really wasn't. 1002 00:50:09,708 --> 00:50:11,083 He was being obnoxious. 1003 00:50:12,667 --> 00:50:18,250 - As soon as he started with the cocaine, then I didn't travel 1004 00:50:18,333 --> 00:50:24,167 with him 'cause I knew that at point, I could lose my contract. 1005 00:50:25,667 --> 00:50:27,833 - It got to the point where we made a conscious decision 1006 00:50:27,875 --> 00:50:29,208 not to drink with him. 1007 00:50:29,958 --> 00:50:32,667 The problem was when he was on his own where he kinda like got 1008 00:50:32,708 --> 00:50:35,542 away from us, he'd take that little bit of a walk on the wild 1009 00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:39,167 side and then you never knew where he was gonna end up 1010 00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:40,583 or who you were gonna hear from. 1011 00:50:43,625 --> 00:50:46,292 - I had our corporate attorneys call him and say, 1012 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,167 "Look, dude, you-- we'll put you in treatment. 1013 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:50,917 We'll-we'll-we'll cover it, but you got-- 1014 00:50:51,042 --> 00:50:52,625 you gotta get into treatment." 1015 00:50:54,333 --> 00:50:57,500 - I was kinda like Scott's babysitter in a way. 1016 00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:02,083 They put him in rehab and when he was done with his 28 days, 1017 00:51:03,542 --> 00:51:07,958 I pick him up and, like, he looks great, he's all refreshed 1018 00:51:08,042 --> 00:51:09,583 and I'm thinking, 1019 00:51:09,708 --> 00:51:11,500 "Oh, good. Maybe he's not gonna wanna stop at the liquor store." 1020 00:51:11,583 --> 00:51:13,708 But we drive by the liquor store he goes, "Stop here. 1021 00:51:13,833 --> 00:51:15,750 I'm getting-- " you know, and he made me stop 1022 00:51:15,833 --> 00:51:17,208 and he got that 12-pack. 1023 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,667 He started drinking again immediately 1024 00:51:20,708 --> 00:51:21,625 after he got out of there. 1025 00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,125 - It was not good. 1026 00:51:28,375 --> 00:51:31,750 - He's medicating himself as addicts do. 1027 00:51:31,875 --> 00:51:33,667 Whatever your thing is, you're-you're medicating 1028 00:51:33,708 --> 00:51:34,750 to get through the day. 1029 00:51:36,375 --> 00:51:37,667 - I'm not asking for any sympathy, but I don't-- 1030 00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:40,292 like I said, I'm one of them guys who wasn't that keen on 1031 00:51:40,375 --> 00:51:43,167 himself, that's why I'm-- I think I embraced wrestling from 1032 00:51:43,208 --> 00:51:44,875 the beginning anyway. 1033 00:51:44,958 --> 00:51:47,458 It was an opportunity to be somebody else 'cause I wasn't 1034 00:51:47,542 --> 00:51:50,208 that thrilled about the guy that I was. 1035 00:51:50,333 --> 00:51:51,833 Of course, a lot of people didn't know. 1036 00:51:51,917 --> 00:51:55,208 Then I had these dark secrets I felt like I was hiding. 1037 00:51:56,542 --> 00:51:58,208 Then there was part of me thinking, you know, I had done 1038 00:51:58,292 --> 00:51:59,667 some bad things these people don't know about. 1039 00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:01,458 I'm not a good-- I'm a bad person. 1040 00:52:01,542 --> 00:52:03,458 I don't deserve this and it's all a sham and they're gonna 1041 00:52:03,542 --> 00:52:05,958 catch me and, you know, so, you know, a lot of selfish 1042 00:52:06,042 --> 00:52:09,542 destructive thought started to creep into situations. 1043 00:52:13,042 --> 00:52:16,333 - I flew in from Atlanta with Eric and Scott picked us up 1044 00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:18,333 and then we out. 1045 00:52:18,708 --> 00:52:22,542 - And I remember I'm sitting in the back seat and so unsolicited 1046 00:52:22,625 --> 00:52:26,500 he turned around and started telling me the story of what 1047 00:52:26,625 --> 00:52:29,833 happened the night when he was a bouncer. 1048 00:52:29,917 --> 00:52:32,292 I was taken back, I didn't know how to react to it. 1049 00:52:32,375 --> 00:52:34,333 I didn't wanna ask any questions 'cause I-- 1050 00:52:34,458 --> 00:52:37,917 it-it was awkward for me. 1051 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,083 And Scott, you know, went into great detail and he said, 1052 00:52:43,167 --> 00:52:44,208 "Kev, Kev, let's go over there. 1053 00:52:44,292 --> 00:52:46,125 Let's go over there." 1054 00:52:46,208 --> 00:52:51,208 So we ended up driving over to the club, it was a strip club, 1055 00:52:52,792 --> 00:52:55,708 literally walking me through the event. 1056 00:52:56,583 --> 00:53:01,542 And to me, that was the moment when I realized the demon showed 1057 00:53:01,625 --> 00:53:04,875 it's true face and what was really eating Scott alive. 1058 00:53:06,417 --> 00:53:09,917 - Scott was just a haunted person. 1059 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000 If we were all together, it was a little bit easier, 1060 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,750 but if you were with Scott one on one, you know, 1061 00:53:16,833 --> 00:53:20,875 he would start to unload, and man it was tough. 1062 00:53:20,958 --> 00:53:25,417 You know, because you really felt for him, and you just- 1063 00:53:25,542 --> 00:53:27,625 you could feel there's no way to help. 1064 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:35,125 - Scott was very religious and, you know, one of the 10 1065 00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:37,542 commandments are thou shall not kill. 1066 00:53:37,667 --> 00:53:42,833 So, Scott always felt that he wasn't going to go to heaven, 1067 00:53:42,875 --> 00:53:45,000 you know, because he killed somebody. 1068 00:53:47,583 --> 00:53:49,958 - I felt like I had a lot of people fooled that I was this 1069 00:53:50,042 --> 00:53:53,042 real nice guy, but really I'm not, so when I go to a dark 1070 00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:54,917 place, it's real dark. 1071 00:53:56,875 --> 00:54:00,500 - I understood it, and sometimes when you understand something, 1072 00:54:00,542 --> 00:54:04,708 it's a little harder to be just cut and dry about it, kind of, 1073 00:54:04,833 --> 00:54:08,167 can be a little empathetic and I tried to be as best as we could. 1074 00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:11,333 You try to make it work, you just have to. 1075 00:54:11,375 --> 00:54:13,167 And we tried real hard to make it work, 1076 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:14,542 but it was a constant challenge. 1077 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,083 - It got to the point for me where my fake life was becoming 1078 00:54:19,167 --> 00:54:21,708 really unsatisfying as well. 1079 00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:24,375 It just wasn't fun for me and so I didn't care. 1080 00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:25,500 I know that's really immature, but that's how 1081 00:54:25,583 --> 00:54:26,875 I looked at it then. 1082 00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:30,292 I remember calling the office going, "Um, I quit." 1083 00:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,125 - This is a no disqualification three-way dance 1084 00:54:40,125 --> 00:54:42,000 and Scott Hall is going for the gold. 1085 00:54:42,958 --> 00:54:45,292 - The only thing really keeping me going for a lot of years 1086 00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:48,542 is that feeling I got in front of an audience that, 1087 00:54:48,667 --> 00:54:50,708 you know, that-that rush when I go through the crowd and, 1088 00:54:50,792 --> 00:54:52,833 you know, getting to perform. 1089 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,708 - Hall's gonna win it. 1090 00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:58,292 - So, when you take that away from me or when that becomes 1091 00:54:58,375 --> 00:55:00,417 unsatisfying, it's even worse. 1092 00:55:01,458 --> 00:55:04,000 So now what? 1093 00:55:04,667 --> 00:55:06,083 I'll take my ball and go home. 1094 00:55:07,458 --> 00:55:11,333 - And now the powerbomb coming up on Scott Hall. 1095 00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:12,833 Getting way up in the air. 1096 00:55:12,875 --> 00:55:13,750 Drives him down. 1097 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,125 One, two, three. 1098 00:55:23,917 --> 00:55:26,375 - He really went off the deep end when there was lots of 1099 00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:29,875 arrests and accidents and he'd make the local news. 1100 00:55:31,375 --> 00:55:32,458 - 911 what's your emergency. 1101 00:55:32,542 --> 00:55:33,542 - Last name would be Hall. 1102 00:55:33,625 --> 00:55:35,083 First name's Scott. 1103 00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:38,167 Extremely impaired drinking and attempting to possibly drink 1104 00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:39,708 himself to death. 1105 00:55:40,917 --> 00:55:43,750 - It all led to a guy who was just completely lost. 1106 00:55:45,333 --> 00:55:48,917 And it basically remained that way all the way up until his 1107 00:55:49,042 --> 00:55:54,083 return to WWE when they did the nWo Invasion angle 1108 00:55:54,167 --> 00:55:56,208 the other direction. 1109 00:55:56,208 --> 00:55:58,417 [crowd cheering] 1110 00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:59,625 - Hall and Nash- 1111 00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:00,333 - Oh, no. 1112 00:56:00,458 --> 00:56:01,958 - and Hogan. 1113 00:56:02,042 --> 00:56:04,500 - Vince called me at home and it was a cool moment for me, 1114 00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,917 Vince McMahon calling me and asking me to come back and- 1115 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,542 and do business. 1116 00:56:09,625 --> 00:56:12,542 I love this business, anyway, but when you can, you know, 1117 00:56:12,667 --> 00:56:14,250 work with, you know, close friends of yours, it's- 1118 00:56:14,333 --> 00:56:17,833 it's even more rewarding, you know, and it's a blast and we're 1119 00:56:17,917 --> 00:56:22,292 good at causing trouble, so we came up here to cause trouble. 1120 00:56:22,375 --> 00:56:26,083 At this point, I'm struggling really hard to be a good boy. 1121 00:56:26,458 --> 00:56:28,167 I feel great today. 1122 00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:29,333 It's a shame the match isn't today. 1123 00:56:29,417 --> 00:56:31,625 I don't know about Sunday. 1124 00:56:31,708 --> 00:56:36,083 I was really struggling 'cause I had been living really crazy 1125 00:56:36,208 --> 00:56:38,792 lifestyle, but I'm-I'm treasuring my opportunity there, 1126 00:56:38,875 --> 00:56:40,833 so I'm trying to take advantage of it. 1127 00:56:40,917 --> 00:56:42,667 - Oh, my. 1128 00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:43,542 Oh, what a stunner. 1129 00:56:43,625 --> 00:56:45,083 A WrestleMania stunner. 1130 00:56:45,167 --> 00:56:46,667 A Texas stunner. 1131 00:56:46,708 --> 00:56:47,167 - Wait. 1132 00:56:47,208 --> 00:56:48,333 - It's over. 1133 00:56:48,417 --> 00:56:51,083 Stone Cold has beaten Scott Hall. 1134 00:56:52,875 --> 00:56:56,500 - But that was just kind of a blur of pills and booze 1135 00:56:57,042 --> 00:56:58,667 and, you know, they called me and said, 1136 00:56:58,750 --> 00:57:01,583 "Hey, we've got to talk about your termination." 1137 00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:05,708 I just didn't last long at all. 1138 00:57:08,292 --> 00:57:12,875 - I think Scott really wanted to get along and Scott really 1139 00:57:12,958 --> 00:57:18,542 wanted to do right, but I also don't believe that Scott had 1140 00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:20,708 control of his demons 1141 00:57:21,875 --> 00:57:25,083 - He became a bit of a pariah. 1142 00:57:25,167 --> 00:57:29,917 This business is hard enough and dangerous enough stone-sober, 1143 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,875 concentrating as hard as humanly possibly. 1144 00:57:32,875 --> 00:57:36,333 Imagine how much more dangerous it is when you add pills 1145 00:57:36,458 --> 00:57:37,625 and alcohol to the mix. 1146 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,000 - It's hard, you know, because Scott had some really 1147 00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:45,500 tough times, you know. 1148 00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:49,833 And, uh, I got some crazy phone calls over the years with him 1149 00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:53,583 needing some help in some of the situations he was in. 1150 00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:54,667 - 911, what's your emergency? 1151 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,375 - Are you familiar with Scott Hall? 1152 00:57:56,458 --> 00:57:57,667 He's committing suicide. 1153 00:57:57,708 --> 00:58:01,917 He's taken a handful of Levetira. 1154 00:58:03,542 --> 00:58:05,167 - There's just so many things that happened. 1155 00:58:05,208 --> 00:58:07,042 Like I've tried to block a lot of them out 'cause I don't wanna 1156 00:58:07,042 --> 00:58:10,667 remember, but just more verbally than physically, just putting me 1157 00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:16,958 down and everything like that and- 1158 00:58:17,042 --> 00:58:19,625 he couldn't believe I was divorcing him. 1159 00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:23,125 He wrote this letter. 1160 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:27,000 It says, "Baby, please don't leave. 1161 00:58:27,083 --> 00:58:31,917 I'm sorry for my actions. Let's spend time together. 1162 00:58:32,583 --> 00:58:34,042 Let's go to church together. 1163 00:58:34,125 --> 00:58:36,667 Let's talk to someone and work out our problems. 1164 00:58:37,708 --> 00:58:39,792 Let's not give up." 1165 00:58:41,458 --> 00:58:42,500 I don't know if I can't finish this. 1166 00:58:42,583 --> 00:58:44,333 "I'm sorry for saying ugly things. 1167 00:58:44,375 --> 00:58:46,458 I love you. 1168 00:58:46,542 --> 00:58:47,417 And only you. 1169 00:58:47,542 --> 00:58:49,083 I don't want to lose you again." 1170 00:58:51,417 --> 00:58:53,958 I realized I can't save him. 1171 00:58:54,042 --> 00:58:57,708 And I had to save myself and the kids. 1172 00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:01,958 - I mean, I think he used to drink the vodka because he 1173 00:59:02,042 --> 00:59:03,875 always kind of fancied himself, you know, a bodybuilder, 1174 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,875 you know, it's zero calories, but I mean, he was drinking the 1175 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,833 cheapest, like, plastic bottles, like, two or three a day, and he 1176 00:59:09,917 --> 00:59:11,500 really aged at light speed, the things that 1177 00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:12,583 he was doing to himself. 1178 00:59:15,708 --> 00:59:18,083 - The Outsiders, they do whatever the hell 1179 00:59:18,167 --> 00:59:19,083 they want, apparently. 1180 00:59:19,167 --> 00:59:20,333 - What's going on here? 1181 00:59:20,333 --> 00:59:21,500 - Hey, yo. 1182 00:59:21,542 --> 00:59:22,917 - They were scheduled for the main event. 1183 00:59:23,042 --> 00:59:24,833 - Well, that's what the people wanted to hear, obviously. 1184 00:59:25,542 --> 00:59:28,833 - I had, like, some friends that weren't allowed to come over, 1185 00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:31,083 couldn't have sleepovers because their parents knew. 1186 00:59:31,167 --> 00:59:33,333 And there was a time that one of my friends was in the car when 1187 00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:34,875 we got into a car accident. 1188 00:59:34,958 --> 00:59:37,083 And I just remember her screaming and crying 1189 00:59:37,167 --> 00:59:38,333 on the edge of the door. 1190 00:59:38,375 --> 00:59:39,667 She was so scared. 1191 00:59:39,708 --> 00:59:41,125 I was just kind of used to it at that point. 1192 00:59:41,208 --> 00:59:44,875 You know, I knew-- I knew we'd be okay, um, because usually he 1193 00:59:44,958 --> 00:59:47,542 was just kind of out of it-- 1194 00:59:47,667 --> 00:59:50,000 out of it and would swerve off the road. 1195 00:59:50,042 --> 00:59:53,125 But, um, that was the first time I had a friend with me. 1196 00:59:56,417 --> 01:00:01,083 - When Scott started to really fall into this personal 1197 01:00:01,167 --> 01:00:05,875 darkness, the biggest problem with that for anybody that has 1198 01:00:05,958 --> 01:00:11,500 to suffer through it is the inability to change a person. 1199 01:00:11,583 --> 01:00:13,292 Um, nobody's going to change anybody. 1200 01:00:13,375 --> 01:00:15,500 You can pray. 1201 01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:16,667 You can talk. 1202 01:00:16,792 --> 01:00:19,333 I mean, I-I made personal trips down. 1203 01:00:20,042 --> 01:00:23,875 But it takes the person to want that real change and to pull 1204 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,208 themselves out of that dark place to-to make it happen. 1205 01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:32,250 So it was- that was, uh, you know, that's where the ugliness 1206 01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:38,333 of addiction can turn pride into shame very, very quickly, 1207 01:00:38,375 --> 01:00:39,333 and that happened. 1208 01:00:40,125 --> 01:00:43,167 [crowd cheers] 1209 01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:46,917 - He broke down tears, actually, kind of, admitted that, 1210 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,333 you know, that he had sometimes hopes that somebody would 1211 01:00:49,417 --> 01:00:50,292 take him out of his misery. 1212 01:00:52,042 --> 01:00:54,208 He was looking for someone to kill him sometimes. 1213 01:01:01,833 --> 01:01:04,417 - Scott Hall 1214 01:01:04,542 --> 01:01:07,833 [crowd chants "Razor"] 1215 01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:09,542 - Scott Hall was one of the big 1216 01:01:09,625 --> 01:01:11,667 figures in professional wrestling. 1217 01:01:12,667 --> 01:01:16,417 He was one of those guys who, kind of, cut through the clutter 1218 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:20,708 and-and transcended wrestling into the mainstream. 1219 01:01:22,375 --> 01:01:25,417 And then this video kind of starts making its way 1220 01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:26,792 around the internet. 1221 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,000 And everybody was looking at it and saying, 1222 01:01:32,083 --> 01:01:33,833 "What happened to Scott Hall? 1223 01:01:33,917 --> 01:01:37,125 What happened to Razor Ramon, this charismatic figure, 1224 01:01:37,208 --> 01:01:41,708 this guy who was in such great shape, this incredible hulking 1225 01:01:41,792 --> 01:01:46,000 physical presence, who had this swagger, dashing, 1226 01:01:46,042 --> 01:01:49,250 and he's-he's broken down?" 1227 01:01:50,583 --> 01:01:52,458 And it's worse than that. 1228 01:01:52,708 --> 01:01:56,083 He seems to be as if he's being exploited. 1229 01:01:56,833 --> 01:01:59,708 And his condition is being exploited for the crowd. 1230 01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:02,500 [crowd boos] 1231 01:02:02,542 --> 01:02:05,000 And it's an awful thing to watch. 1232 01:02:06,792 --> 01:02:08,333 - You know, I don't want to die. 1233 01:02:08,375 --> 01:02:10,875 But like, I'm not- I'm not afraid to. 1234 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000 'Cause what's left, man? 1235 01:02:14,042 --> 01:02:16,375 What do you do when they quit chanting your name? 1236 01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:20,542 - Why would Scott Hall in that condition want to be 1237 01:02:20,625 --> 01:02:22,917 profiled by ESPN? 1238 01:02:23,625 --> 01:02:27,292 He wanted, I think, at some level, an opportunity to let 1239 01:02:27,417 --> 01:02:32,292 people know you're suffering and to give people an opportunity to 1240 01:02:32,375 --> 01:02:38,167 help you, although he had been being helped by WWE. 1241 01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:40,958 - Without giving too many particulars, it's in the six 1242 01:02:41,042 --> 01:02:44,875 figures of how much money we've spent sending Scott to rehab. 1243 01:02:45,042 --> 01:02:47,750 It's the most amount of money we've spent on anyone. 1244 01:02:47,875 --> 01:02:52,875 - Folic acid, lisinopril, clonidine, cardival, 1245 01:02:52,958 --> 01:02:55,125 furosemides for seizures. 1246 01:02:55,208 --> 01:02:58,375 Amiodarone, this is for heart rate. 1247 01:02:58,458 --> 01:02:59,917 Did I already say potassium? 1248 01:03:00,042 --> 01:03:01,583 I don't know, brother. 1249 01:03:01,667 --> 01:03:02,792 All them years of partying, now I'm taking all these pills 1250 01:03:02,875 --> 01:03:05,250 and I don't get a buzz. 1251 01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:10,292 There's got to a reason that I'm still here. 1252 01:03:10,375 --> 01:03:12,000 I should have been dead a hundred times. 1253 01:03:12,042 --> 01:03:14,083 I should have been dead a hundred times. 1254 01:03:19,875 --> 01:03:23,292 - He's a picture of dysfunction. 1255 01:03:23,375 --> 01:03:27,167 And the producer of that show for E60, when Scott Hall and he 1256 01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:29,333 first meet, where did Scott Hall want to meet him? 1257 01:03:29,458 --> 01:03:34,833 He wanted to meet him at the scene of the shooting at the 1258 01:03:34,917 --> 01:03:38,042 strip club, the Doll House. 1259 01:03:39,083 --> 01:03:41,875 - He was reaching for the gun, so I reached for it too. 1260 01:03:41,958 --> 01:03:43,250 We wrestled around with the gun. 1261 01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:46,917 I took it and shot him in the head. 1262 01:03:47,625 --> 01:03:54,333 - There were two people in that moment with each other. 1263 01:03:54,375 --> 01:03:57,208 One of them emerged alive, and we don't know exactly 1264 01:03:57,333 --> 01:03:58,500 what happened. 1265 01:04:00,167 --> 01:04:02,583 But, you know, i-i-it seems clear when he talks about it, 1266 01:04:02,583 --> 01:04:05,125 even though he describes it as self-defense, that this is 1267 01:04:05,208 --> 01:04:08,708 something that troubled him, that haunted him. 1268 01:04:08,792 --> 01:04:14,875 [crowd chants "Razor"] 1269 01:04:16,167 --> 01:04:17,833 - There's so much sadness. 1270 01:04:17,917 --> 01:04:22,625 The way that he could not control his demons, 1271 01:04:22,708 --> 01:04:28,542 I think his-his story stands in many ways as a warning. 1272 01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:36,792 - Scott called me and said he had a gun, like, you know, 1273 01:04:36,792 --> 01:04:38,250 he was gonna take himself out. 1274 01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:40,667 So I called Dallas to- for help, to ask for help with him. 1275 01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:44,708 - He said, "I need a favor. 1276 01:04:45,667 --> 01:04:50,167 Scott said he's got a gun and he's gonna kill himself. 1277 01:04:50,208 --> 01:04:52,042 Will you please call him?" 1278 01:04:57,708 --> 01:04:59,833 We're filming this documentary, 1279 01:04:59,875 --> 01:05:01,500 The Resurrection of Jake "The Snake" 1280 01:05:01,583 --> 01:05:04,000 in the house I'm living in. 1281 01:05:04,083 --> 01:05:10,500 Lower yourself down to the ground. 1282 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,583 - Sweet Jesus. 1283 01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:21,875 When Jake had moved in with me 2012, he was 60 days sober. 1284 01:05:22,667 --> 01:05:27,125 I'm calling Scott, and I'm calling him never thinking he's 1285 01:05:27,208 --> 01:05:29,042 gonna pick up the phone. 1286 01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:30,667 And he does. 1287 01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:35,458 [phone rings] 1288 01:05:35,542 --> 01:05:36,667 - What? 1289 01:05:36,750 --> 01:05:39,250 - Scottie. 1290 01:05:39,375 --> 01:05:40,708 - What? 1291 01:05:40,792 --> 01:05:41,875 - Jake. 1292 01:05:41,958 --> 01:05:45,042 - Jake and Dally. 1293 01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:46,750 - Who is this? 1294 01:05:46,833 --> 01:05:48,000 - Dallas. 1295 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,250 Dallas Page. 1296 01:05:50,375 --> 01:05:51,667 - Oh, Dally. 1297 01:05:51,792 --> 01:05:53,458 My gosh. 1298 01:05:53,542 --> 01:05:56,625 - And Jake. 1299 01:05:56,708 --> 01:05:58,000 - You got Jake? 1300 01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:00,833 I heard- I heard Jake's doing wonderful things. 1301 01:06:00,875 --> 01:06:02,542 - Yeah, man. 1302 01:06:02,667 --> 01:06:04,833 - I heard-- Yeah, I heard you put-- Jake's on the right path. 1303 01:06:04,875 --> 01:06:06,083 - Yeah, we're there, bro. 1304 01:06:06,167 --> 01:06:07,333 - I'm so glad. 1305 01:06:07,417 --> 01:06:08,833 I'm so happy. 1306 01:06:08,917 --> 01:06:10,375 - There's room for one more, man. 1307 01:06:12,417 --> 01:06:14,667 - This is a guy who, physically, you would think, 1308 01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:18,042 "Oh, well, there's-- nothing can stop him, you know." 1309 01:06:18,125 --> 01:06:19,125 But he couldn't walk. 1310 01:06:19,208 --> 01:06:20,625 He was in a wheelchair. 1311 01:06:21,458 --> 01:06:22,625 - I'm dying, Jake. 1312 01:06:22,708 --> 01:06:23,833 I'm dying. 1313 01:06:23,875 --> 01:06:26,000 I've been drinking vodka for breakfast. 1314 01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:27,500 - You don't need to. 1315 01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:29,833 - The only- the o-- I mean, the only thing that's put 1316 01:06:29,917 --> 01:06:32,292 in my body today has been vodka. 1317 01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:36,833 "Hey, just come up- come stay with me for a while." 1318 01:06:36,833 --> 01:06:40,000 And I thought, "Okay, let's go to rehab and go see Dally." 1319 01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:41,125 What's the difference? 1320 01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,792 I can always go to rehab. 1321 01:06:42,875 --> 01:06:44,417 Let me try something different. 1322 01:06:45,542 --> 01:06:46,417 - Inhale. 1323 01:06:46,542 --> 01:06:48,875 Sweep up. 1324 01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:49,792 - Diamond Dallas Page took him in. 1325 01:06:51,292 --> 01:06:54,042 And he seemed to be doing really, really good. 1326 01:06:54,125 --> 01:06:56,750 - Lately, I've been so happy. 1327 01:06:56,833 --> 01:06:58,500 I owe a lot to Dally. 1328 01:06:58,625 --> 01:07:00,042 You know, I wasn't looking for anything 1329 01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:02,167 but just a safe place to be. 1330 01:07:02,542 --> 01:07:04,833 - Four. 1331 01:07:04,875 --> 01:07:07,625 - Just was around a positive vibe and no judgment, 1332 01:07:07,708 --> 01:07:10,500 and so it seemed like a great fit for me. 1333 01:07:10,583 --> 01:07:12,500 I ended up staying with Dallas for several months. 1334 01:07:13,458 --> 01:07:16,875 - It was the right time, the right place, um, and he gets 1335 01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:20,375 all the credit for breathing life into somebody that was 1336 01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:24,583 desperately trying to- to end his. 1337 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:30,792 - It blew my mind how he could go from looking horrific to 1338 01:07:30,875 --> 01:07:34,208 looking like a male model. 1339 01:07:35,542 --> 01:07:37,333 - I get the phone call, like, "They're gonna put you in the 1340 01:07:37,417 --> 01:07:39,583 Hall of Fame. Can you fit it in?" 1341 01:07:39,667 --> 01:07:43,292 I'm going, "Well, I might have to move a few things on my 1342 01:07:43,375 --> 01:07:45,333 schedule 'cause I was gonna go to the gym then and go to the 1343 01:07:45,417 --> 01:07:48,083 tanning salon, but I guess I could flip flop it and, 1344 01:07:48,167 --> 01:07:49,542 you know, like." 1345 01:07:49,667 --> 01:07:52,250 It's like, "Yeah, are you kidding me? I'm available." 1346 01:07:52,375 --> 01:07:54,833 - The Hall of Fame was just perfect. 1347 01:07:54,917 --> 01:07:57,375 The recognition of his peers. 1348 01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:59,542 The recognition of the people that he entertained 1349 01:07:59,625 --> 01:08:00,583 for all those years. 1350 01:08:00,667 --> 01:08:03,667 It made his misery worthwhile to him. 1351 01:08:03,833 --> 01:08:06,167 [crowd cheers] 1352 01:08:06,208 --> 01:08:12,167 - Ladies and gentlemen, Razor Ramon. 1353 01:08:12,208 --> 01:08:14,750 [crowd cheers] 1354 01:08:14,833 --> 01:08:17,833 - People were getting to see him at his best again. 1355 01:08:17,917 --> 01:08:22,125 And kind of seeing him through the other side of the journey. 1356 01:08:22,208 --> 01:08:23,917 I was just really proud of him. 1357 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,708 [crowd cheers] 1358 01:08:25,792 --> 01:08:28,792 - Scott, he told me how he was gonna finish it. 1359 01:08:28,875 --> 01:08:31,625 He says, "I just wanna make it short and sweet, you know, 1360 01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:33,125 get to the point." 1361 01:08:33,208 --> 01:08:36,917 - Hard work pays off. 1362 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,125 Dreams come true. 1363 01:08:42,792 --> 01:08:44,125 Bad times don't last, 1364 01:08:46,958 --> 01:08:49,167 but Bad Guys do. 1365 01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:53,167 [crowd cheers] 1366 01:08:54,375 --> 01:08:55,708 - Pretty powerful moment. 1367 01:08:55,833 --> 01:08:57,167 Pretty cool. 1368 01:08:57,208 --> 01:08:58,667 And just great to see that. 1369 01:08:58,792 --> 01:09:01,625 You know, listen, things may have never gotten perfect for 1370 01:09:01,708 --> 01:09:07,000 Scott Hall, but it was beautiful to still see him get his flowers 1371 01:09:07,083 --> 01:09:08,292 and have his moment. 1372 01:09:10,375 --> 01:09:14,958 - I remember seeing Scott Hall at the Hall of Fame, and I was 1373 01:09:15,042 --> 01:09:18,292 like, to Maryse, I was like, "We gotta get a picture." 1374 01:09:18,375 --> 01:09:19,583 She's like, "Yeah, we do." 1375 01:09:20,875 --> 01:09:25,250 I don't ask for people to-to take a picture with me. 1376 01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:29,417 I asked Scott Hall for a picture, and it's- 1377 01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:32,333 it's a pretty amazing picture. 1378 01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:33,833 Look at that, huh? 1379 01:09:36,083 --> 01:09:38,000 And he just oozes coolness. 1380 01:09:38,125 --> 01:09:39,833 Like, he's just so cool. 1381 01:09:40,708 --> 01:09:42,708 - It just felt great and to be able to look these guys right in 1382 01:09:42,792 --> 01:09:45,667 the eye and be clearheaded and be in good shape 1383 01:09:45,750 --> 01:09:46,333 and stuff again. 1384 01:09:46,375 --> 01:09:47,667 "And what you doing?" 1385 01:09:47,833 --> 01:09:48,500 "I'm doing pretty good, man. How are you doing?" 1386 01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:50,458 Like, and-and it to be true. 1387 01:09:52,375 --> 01:09:54,417 - Just the sheer joy to be around him, to-to get to share 1388 01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:56,792 that time with him. 1389 01:09:56,875 --> 01:09:58,500 It's a great place to be. 1390 01:09:58,583 --> 01:09:59,667 - What's your plan the rest of the night? 1391 01:09:59,792 --> 01:10:01,000 Are you gonna have a big celebration or what? 1392 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,458 - No. 1393 01:10:02,542 --> 01:10:03,208 I will probably will hang with my buddies and go get 1394 01:10:03,292 --> 01:10:04,958 something to eat and-- 1395 01:10:05,042 --> 01:10:05,792 - That's it? 1396 01:10:05,875 --> 01:10:07,125 - Yeah. Who knows? 1397 01:10:07,208 --> 01:10:08,250 We are in New Orleans, but I'm living a different lifestyle 1398 01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:09,542 than I used to- 1399 01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:10,333 - Exactly. 1400 01:10:10,417 --> 01:10:12,917 - so I'll pro-probably lay low. 1401 01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:16,500 As I look back on it now, I try to make better decisions and, 1402 01:10:16,583 --> 01:10:18,167 right now, it ain't all about money to me. 1403 01:10:18,292 --> 01:10:20,375 It's all about doing the next right thing. 1404 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:22,458 I mean, I know that sounds hokey, and I know this is 1405 01:10:22,542 --> 01:10:26,083 wrestling and it's not my image, but people say money 1406 01:10:26,167 --> 01:10:27,542 don't buy happiness. 1407 01:10:27,625 --> 01:10:30,167 Only people with money understand that. 1408 01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:35,208 I have sat in my big ass mansion all alone, with no friends, 1409 01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:37,792 with all the toys and no one to play with. 1410 01:10:37,875 --> 01:10:41,417 And so I've restructured my life where it's more important 1411 01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:45,667 to me about relationships and things that are real. 1412 01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,667 Like, when I sit around and think, now what, now what? 1413 01:10:47,708 --> 01:10:48,875 Okay. 1414 01:10:48,875 --> 01:10:49,500 I wanted a family. 1415 01:10:49,625 --> 01:10:50,708 I got a great family, you know. 1416 01:10:50,875 --> 01:10:52,000 I wanted to be a big time pro-wrestler. 1417 01:10:52,125 --> 01:10:53,375 Did it, you know. 1418 01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:54,833 Now what, now what? 1419 01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:59,042 And I think helping people can be really satisfying. 1420 01:10:59,208 --> 01:11:00,000 You got two good performances. 1421 01:11:00,125 --> 01:11:01,542 - Yeah. 1422 01:11:01,708 --> 01:11:01,875 - Good stuff, you're really starting to hit your stride. 1423 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,417 - Yeah. 1424 01:11:03,542 --> 01:11:04,167 - You look like your comfortable in the ring, you know. 1425 01:11:04,208 --> 01:11:05,000 You did it. 1426 01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:06,042 That's great. 1427 01:11:06,125 --> 01:11:07,500 - Yeah. 1428 01:11:07,542 --> 01:11:09,917 - He liked to help mentor, like, take younger guys 1429 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,417 under his wing. 1430 01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,167 - Get over it. 1431 01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:13,042 Yeah. 1432 01:11:13,125 --> 01:11:13,917 Get over it. 1433 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,125 That's the whole thing. 1434 01:11:15,208 --> 01:11:17,333 That's what everybody wants you to get. 1435 01:11:17,917 --> 01:11:21,000 - I still pinch myself to this day, to sit there and to 1436 01:11:21,042 --> 01:11:26,542 literally conversate, talk as a peer, as a-- as a person who's 1437 01:11:26,625 --> 01:11:29,708 in the same profession and does the same thing. 1438 01:11:29,792 --> 01:11:31,708 It still blows my mind to this day. 1439 01:11:33,583 --> 01:11:34,958 - But just to talk to these young guys because 1440 01:11:35,042 --> 01:11:36,542 I've been there. 1441 01:11:36,625 --> 01:11:38,792 Been the guy who never made it, been the guy who made it. 1442 01:11:38,875 --> 01:11:41,833 Been the guy who never drank, been the guy who drank too much. 1443 01:11:42,208 --> 01:11:45,083 I said, "Hey bro, I'm not against drinking [bleep] drink. 1444 01:11:45,208 --> 01:11:46,167 I'm not successful at it." 1445 01:11:46,583 --> 01:11:48,667 I said, "But you gotta figure it into your diet." 1446 01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:50,000 - Yeah. 1447 01:11:50,083 --> 01:11:51,042 - Like, if you're gonna drink some beers at night, 1448 01:11:51,125 --> 01:11:51,875 then don't eat carbs at night. 1449 01:11:53,083 --> 01:11:54,500 - Scott pulled me to the side. 1450 01:11:54,583 --> 01:11:57,167 He was like, "Dally, I gotta be honest. 1451 01:11:57,208 --> 01:12:00,333 I like to drink, you know. 1452 01:12:00,417 --> 01:12:03,500 I'm never gonna tell people not to drink. 1453 01:12:03,583 --> 01:12:07,625 I'm never gonna say, uh, I'm not gonna take a drink." 1454 01:12:08,083 --> 01:12:11,375 And I said, "Let's figure out how to keep you sober 1455 01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,083 when you need to be sober." 1456 01:12:14,708 --> 01:12:17,708 - He had his moments where he would sober up and clean up. 1457 01:12:18,708 --> 01:12:21,292 As much as you hoped he wouldn't you were just- 1458 01:12:21,375 --> 01:12:24,500 waiting for him to fall off the wagon again. 1459 01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:30,875 - Speed. 1460 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:31,333 - Sound is rolling. 1461 01:12:31,375 --> 01:12:32,125 - All right. 1462 01:12:32,208 --> 01:12:33,208 Sound is rolling. 1463 01:12:33,292 --> 01:12:34,375 - So Scott, whenever you're ready. 1464 01:12:36,208 --> 01:12:40,625 - I find myself back at the Doll House in the parking lot where, 1465 01:12:40,708 --> 01:12:45,958 gosh, over 33 years ago, a life-changing event happened. 1466 01:12:46,042 --> 01:12:51,083 Um, a guy pulled a gun on me in the parking lot over here, right 1467 01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:55,292 in that back corner, and we were wrestling around with the gun 1468 01:12:55,375 --> 01:12:56,917 and he ended up dead. 1469 01:12:57,042 --> 01:13:02,125 Um, .45 caliber hollow point at point-blank range. 1470 01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:03,833 It was horrifying. 1471 01:13:04,542 --> 01:13:09,125 I mean, like, brains all over me and 1472 01:13:09,208 --> 01:13:10,667 I can't do this, man. 1473 01:13:19,542 --> 01:13:21,167 I've been told that post-traumatic stress disorder 1474 01:13:21,250 --> 01:13:24,583 is-is gonna be something, that it's-it's gonna be a big 1475 01:13:24,708 --> 01:13:28,375 hurdle for me be-before worrying about other issues, 1476 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,708 I can't get anywhere until I deal with that. 1477 01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:34,375 - Every time he would get drunk, it was just dying 1478 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:35,667 to come out of him. 1479 01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:37,542 I heard the story a hundred times. 1480 01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:39,625 He would get that thousand-yard stare. 1481 01:13:39,708 --> 01:13:41,667 They say, you know, he'd look right through me. 1482 01:13:41,708 --> 01:13:43,583 He talked about, "God, Code, I can still feel the blood 1483 01:13:43,667 --> 01:13:44,792 splatter on my face. 1484 01:13:44,875 --> 01:13:46,292 I can still smell the parking lot. 1485 01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:47,833 I can still hear the sounds." 1486 01:13:47,917 --> 01:13:50,458 He would really go to that place and it would be really eerie. 1487 01:13:52,542 --> 01:13:54,708 - He kind of just buried it down and didn't deal with how 1488 01:13:54,792 --> 01:13:58,375 traumatic it was to take someone else's life, um 1489 01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,167 He kind of just got to the point 1490 01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:00,875 where he felt he deserved it 1491 01:14:00,958 --> 01:14:03,875 or that he didn't deserve better, you know. 1492 01:14:07,208 --> 01:14:09,708 He kind of-- he kind of just felt that was all he was worth 1493 01:14:09,792 --> 01:14:12,125 was just a bottle of tequila. 1494 01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:16,083 And then, no matter how much I would tell him, or anyone would 1495 01:14:16,167 --> 01:14:19,958 tell him that I cared, he just-- And for some reason so 1496 01:14:20,042 --> 01:14:24,083 deep within himself, just didn't feel he could accept it 1497 01:14:24,167 --> 01:14:25,500 or wasn't worthy of it. 1498 01:14:29,708 --> 01:14:34,250 - When something like that happens, hmm, it eats at you. 1499 01:14:35,958 --> 01:14:42,208 And, uh, no amount of positivity can land on you, 1500 01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:43,792 unless you want it to. 1501 01:14:45,875 --> 01:14:49,917 - I think it was, uh, something that he couldn't shake, 1502 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,167 you know. 1503 01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:55,167 So I think that was always, uh, a dark spot that- 1504 01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:56,500 that haunted him. 1505 01:14:59,042 --> 01:15:02,500 - Scott would always say I have a problem with alcohol. 1506 01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:05,333 I says, "No, Scott. 1507 01:15:05,417 --> 01:15:10,333 Your solution to your problem is alcohol. 1508 01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,667 The problem is, you can't forgive yourself." 1509 01:15:14,958 --> 01:15:18,167 - He was tormented, and he drank and he did drugs 1510 01:15:18,208 --> 01:15:24,042 and he did all that stuff because of that torment and um 1511 01:15:24,875 --> 01:15:29,542 you could feel there's no way to help. 1512 01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:31,292 - I can remember us touching on it. 1513 01:15:31,375 --> 01:15:33,083 You do the whole like, "Gosh, you shouldn't really 1514 01:15:33,083 --> 01:15:34,292 not worry about that. 1515 01:15:34,375 --> 01:15:36,000 You know, it wasn't your fault," and yada, yada, yada. 1516 01:15:36,083 --> 01:15:39,333 You say all the right stuff, but nobody ever takes the time to 1517 01:15:39,375 --> 01:15:41,583 sit there and deal with it. 1518 01:15:42,125 --> 01:15:44,792 Why deal with the real stuff when we can sit here and make 1519 01:15:44,875 --> 01:15:47,792 the pain go away with this stuff and we live in this make believe 1520 01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:49,708 fantasy world where everybody thinks we're cool. 1521 01:15:50,375 --> 01:15:52,292 That's a heck of a lot better than dealing with the reality 1522 01:15:52,375 --> 01:15:53,833 that you killed somebody. 1523 01:15:56,583 --> 01:15:58,667 - COVID really hit him hard. 1524 01:15:58,708 --> 01:16:01,500 He really didn't leave the house for two years. 1525 01:16:01,542 --> 01:16:04,417 He was really scared of getting sick, and so he was just kind of 1526 01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,375 sitting in the dark, you know. 1527 01:16:06,458 --> 01:16:09,333 He definitely, kind of, just fell into that pit and, kind of, 1528 01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:13,375 just had his demons all around him and nowhere to go. 1529 01:16:13,458 --> 01:16:16,125 - That's what happened those last couple of years and it's, 1530 01:16:16,208 --> 01:16:18,958 you know, COVID is a thing that was so bad because being trapped 1531 01:16:19,042 --> 01:16:24,667 at home, you know, it was-- it was just too dark. 1532 01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:27,833 And he was in a dark spot. 1533 01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:29,125 It was horrible, you know. 1534 01:16:31,708 --> 01:16:33,625 - Yeah, you got to make sure you reel yourself in. 1535 01:16:33,708 --> 01:16:35,792 You got to have that check-and-balance system. 1536 01:16:35,875 --> 01:16:38,583 I don't know, because Scott was alone a lot, I don't know if he 1537 01:16:38,708 --> 01:16:41,000 had that check-and-balance system, you know. 1538 01:16:41,125 --> 01:16:43,500 That was our concern, is when we wouldn't hear from him. 1539 01:16:43,583 --> 01:16:45,917 You know, "Kev, have you heard from Scott?" 1540 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,333 "No, I haven't heard from him for a couple weeks." 1541 01:16:47,417 --> 01:16:49,125 I was like, "Oh,[bleep]." 1542 01:16:49,917 --> 01:16:53,250 - Scott would drink so much. 1543 01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:59,333 And he-he would go, like, from fine to just out in minutes. 1544 01:17:00,042 --> 01:17:06,167 One of the last times that-- and-and this is, I mean, I hate 1545 01:17:06,208 --> 01:17:08,792 to, you know, I feel like I'm narcing out my friend, but- 1546 01:17:10,208 --> 01:17:13,000 it was the night before we were going in to the 1547 01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:14,875 Hall of Fame. 1548 01:17:15,375 --> 01:17:16,875 We're talking. 1549 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,708 Out of my peripheral vision, I just see him from a barstool 1550 01:17:19,792 --> 01:17:24,125 about that tall, just- just teetering. 1551 01:17:24,208 --> 01:17:25,667 I mean, wham. 1552 01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:31,792 - Scott had taken some pills and started pounding the Vodka 1553 01:17:31,875 --> 01:17:34,458 cranberries and-and completely passed out. 1554 01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:35,292 He was done. 1555 01:17:35,375 --> 01:17:36,750 He was out. 1556 01:17:36,833 --> 01:17:39,375 And yeah, people were-- they had to step over him. 1557 01:17:39,458 --> 01:17:41,583 Neither one of us could budge him. 1558 01:17:41,667 --> 01:17:45,333 He was just dead weight, like 300 pounds of dead weight. 1559 01:17:46,208 --> 01:17:48,583 - That was when I just said to myself, like, he is-- this is 1560 01:17:48,667 --> 01:17:50,333 like the worst I've ever seen him. 1561 01:17:53,417 --> 01:17:54,625 - Now, uh, we knew it. 1562 01:17:54,750 --> 01:17:56,375 Like, we knew, like the- the days were numbered. 1563 01:18:02,917 --> 01:18:05,583 - It was something you never want to see anyone living in. 1564 01:18:05,667 --> 01:18:08,500 I mean, it was just a dark nest. 1565 01:18:08,542 --> 01:18:12,250 It was just cluttered and he had just kind of given up. 1566 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,333 - This message is for Cassidy Hall. 1567 01:18:16,417 --> 01:18:20,292 I have you listed as an emergency contact for a patient. 1568 01:18:20,375 --> 01:18:22,042 If you could please call. 1569 01:18:22,125 --> 01:18:24,125 Um, we need to speak to you very emergently. 1570 01:18:24,208 --> 01:18:25,708 Thank you. 1571 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:32,000 - He fell in his house and he busted his hip and uh, 1572 01:18:32,042 --> 01:18:33,542 he had to get his hip fixed. 1573 01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:37,458 - I think COVID pretty much did him in because it made him stay 1574 01:18:37,542 --> 01:18:41,542 in that little place and, you know, not interact and not do 1575 01:18:41,542 --> 01:18:44,292 the things that he liked to do and not be physically 1576 01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:45,583 active and all that. 1577 01:18:45,708 --> 01:18:48,500 That's what weakened him to the point that something like 1578 01:18:48,583 --> 01:18:50,167 that could happen. 1579 01:18:51,542 --> 01:18:55,083 I don't think he ever anticipated being in a situation 1580 01:18:55,167 --> 01:18:58,208 where he was, like, that weak, you know? 1581 01:18:58,292 --> 01:19:00,500 Uh, I mean, 1582 01:19:00,625 --> 01:19:02,083 [laughs] 1583 01:19:02,167 --> 01:19:04,583 he said- he said, "Man, I spent about three days on that 1584 01:19:04,708 --> 01:19:09,417 floor, not able to get help for myself." 1585 01:19:10,875 --> 01:19:13,833 - I was in Georgia with him in the hospital. 1586 01:19:14,292 --> 01:19:16,708 I remember he told me, um, you know, like, oh, 1587 01:19:16,792 --> 01:19:18,083 I have the best daughter. 1588 01:19:18,208 --> 01:19:20,542 Like, thank you so much for coming and helping me. 1589 01:19:22,542 --> 01:19:25,042 And, um, and so I told him, no, I have the best dad. 1590 01:19:25,167 --> 01:19:27,500 And, you know, we both just cried because I cry, 1591 01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:29,500 when he cries. 1592 01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:30,833 So he was crying at that. 1593 01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:33,500 Um, and I just told him, you know, you- 1594 01:19:33,542 --> 01:19:36,167 you are the best dad to me. 1595 01:19:36,250 --> 01:19:41,167 Um, and yeah, I flew home and then two nights later I got a 1596 01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:44,500 call that he had had three heart attacks. 1597 01:19:44,583 --> 01:19:48,042 Um, he was in the ICU and then we flew back. 1598 01:19:50,958 --> 01:19:54,208 - I really believe that as long as he didn't have any real 1599 01:19:54,292 --> 01:19:58,125 success, he could've lived with it. 1600 01:19:58,208 --> 01:20:01,500 And that's because inside Scott Hall was a good man. 1601 01:20:14,667 --> 01:20:18,458 - The day is finally here, the day we've been, oh-- 1602 01:20:27,667 --> 01:20:30,167 - They're-They're-They're pretty much he's on life support. 1603 01:20:30,208 --> 01:20:31,958 They're just waiting for everybody to get-- 1604 01:20:32,042 --> 01:20:34,458 to get to the hospital. 1605 01:20:34,542 --> 01:20:35,542 I told him I loved him 1606 01:20:40,208 --> 01:20:42,000 - They say the hearing's one of the last things to go. 1607 01:20:42,083 --> 01:20:43,625 So I like to try to believe that. 1608 01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:46,167 So I came and I played some of his songs that I knew he liked 1609 01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:50,458 and tried to talk to him, and uh say goodbye. 1610 01:20:50,542 --> 01:20:52,417 So I hope he heard me. 1611 01:20:55,708 --> 01:20:57,625 - Just trying to come up with the words to say to him 1612 01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:59,417 to express my gratitude 1613 01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:01,000 How much-- 1614 01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:07,000 how much I loved him, you know. 1615 01:21:09,958 --> 01:21:11,417 - Oh, my God. 1616 01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:16,125 And that was that. 1617 01:21:29,292 --> 01:21:30,333 - When I got the call that he passed, 1618 01:21:30,417 --> 01:21:32,292 it was a call I had been dreading for years. 1619 01:21:37,583 --> 01:21:40,292 it wasn't-it was sudden. 1620 01:21:40,375 --> 01:21:42,333 But it wasn't. 1621 01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:47,333 You'd been prepping for that call for, you know, 1622 01:21:47,417 --> 01:21:50,208 twenty years, you know, it was brutal. 1623 01:21:52,208 --> 01:21:56,292 - I got the news that he passed away. 1624 01:21:56,375 --> 01:21:57,958 I can't-- 1625 01:22:11,333 --> 01:22:13,333 I don't think I can do this one. 1626 01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:25,250 [birds chirping] 1627 01:22:29,667 --> 01:22:33,167 - These red cedars here, they've lost some of their limbs, but 1628 01:22:33,292 --> 01:22:35,833 these were the spots where he'd get his- 1629 01:22:35,917 --> 01:22:39,542 his pictures with the kids. 1630 01:22:40,333 --> 01:22:43,833 He loved being here in this-- in this spot right here down 1631 01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:45,125 at Church Point. 1632 01:22:48,792 --> 01:22:49,667 It's a beautiful spot. 1633 01:22:49,667 --> 01:22:50,625 It's very-- it's fitting. 1634 01:22:50,708 --> 01:22:51,750 It's fitting. 1635 01:22:57,042 --> 01:22:59,125 - I think he helped a lot of people. 1636 01:22:59,208 --> 01:23:01,583 I think he made a lot of people happy. 1637 01:23:01,708 --> 01:23:04,333 He put more good into the world than he did bad. 1638 01:23:04,375 --> 01:23:07,167 And that's all you can really try and do. 1639 01:23:07,833 --> 01:23:10,833 - I think it was phenomenal what he did, and I'm so happy that, 1640 01:23:10,875 --> 01:23:14,292 you know, he shared that with the world and that he, you know, 1641 01:23:14,375 --> 01:23:16,833 got to find that pride in it. 1642 01:23:16,917 --> 01:23:21,417 Um, But yeah, really, I would just say my dad was a great dad. 1643 01:23:23,375 --> 01:23:26,042 - Scott could never see the true goodness in him 1644 01:23:26,167 --> 01:23:27,417 while everybody else could. 1645 01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,750 It goes back to what he said. 1646 01:23:31,833 --> 01:23:38,750 Outside of that ring, my life's a mess, but in it, 1647 01:23:38,833 --> 01:23:40,292 can't nobody touch me. 1648 01:23:43,625 --> 01:23:48,583 - Everybody knows nobody can beat The Bad Guy. 1649 01:23:51,125 --> 01:23:54,833 - He'll be remembered for being The Bad Guy, 1650 01:23:54,917 --> 01:23:56,667 but he was a hell of a good guy. 1651 01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:00,250 - Boy, he is just dripping with the gold and the machismo. 1652 01:24:00,375 --> 01:24:02,167 I can smell it in the air. 1653 01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:04,000 - People will talk about Scott Hall when 1654 01:24:04,083 --> 01:24:05,667 they talk about the greats. 1655 01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:11,583 I mean, the legacy is just coolest guy in WWE ever. 1656 01:24:13,542 --> 01:24:18,042 - I look at Scott Hall as one of the most unbelievable performers 1657 01:24:18,167 --> 01:24:20,250 that has ever graced the ring. 1658 01:24:20,375 --> 01:24:24,625 He was able to take a character and make it larger than life. 1659 01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:28,167 - I living the good life. 1660 01:24:28,208 --> 01:24:30,542 I living like a king, chico. 1661 01:24:31,667 --> 01:24:35,208 - He was a pivotal guy at a pivotal time. 1662 01:24:35,333 --> 01:24:39,958 - Razor Ramon, the new Intercontinental Champion. 1663 01:24:39,958 --> 01:24:44,292 - You know, Scott's attitude sets the tone for what was cool. 1664 01:24:44,375 --> 01:24:45,875 - You want my autograph? 1665 01:24:45,875 --> 01:24:47,958 Don't sing it. 1666 01:24:48,042 --> 01:24:49,833 Bring it. 1667 01:24:49,875 --> 01:24:55,167 - Scott Hall's legacy is that of one of the most charismatic, 1668 01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:58,167 interesting, talented superstars of all time. 1669 01:24:58,708 --> 01:25:05,083 - He was a wonderful, caring, kind, brilliant human being, and 1670 01:25:05,208 --> 01:25:09,292 he cared about people and he loved his friends 1671 01:25:09,375 --> 01:25:10,833 and he loved his kids. 1672 01:25:11,417 --> 01:25:14,208 - Take a picture of the daddy and the baby. 1673 01:25:14,292 --> 01:25:16,167 A picture of the daddy and the baby. 1674 01:25:17,125 --> 01:25:19,167 - Hard work pays off. 1675 01:25:19,208 --> 01:25:22,042 Dreams come true. 1676 01:25:22,167 --> 01:25:25,083 Bad times don't last. 1677 01:25:25,167 --> 01:25:27,083 - but Bad Guys do. 1678 01:25:27,167 --> 01:25:37,125 [crowd cheers]